Factory parts

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Factory parts

same home town , contacted me and tried to get the info to buy the factory ... e-mail me direct some time. Use your Foundation number in the message header. I did not spent your money, the prior owners got me for about $5- $7,000. I did not advise anybody to pay up front. I learned.

[jstall]

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They know that! I wonder if the fellow from OK was one of ones that tried to buy Taylorcraft a while back.
Anyone is welcome to do that at any time ( buy Taylorcraft) , then they can explain what they will do to rectify the situation.
Money talks and bullxxxx walks.

The guy from Oklahoma? who is that Forrest?? is that me?? I'm sure from Oklahoma, and I haven't tried to buy Taylorcraft, nor am I aware of anyone from Oklahoma that has, but then I'm not as "TUNED IN AS YOU ARE", and as far as money talks and bull shit walks, come one man, get real here.

Facts are facts and folks have lost bucks here, including me, and what has gone before deserves more respect that that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J Stallings
From Oklahoma

[Forrest Barber]

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They know that! I wonder if the fellow from OK was one of ones that tried to buy Taylorcraft a while back.
Anyone is welcome to do that at any time ( buy Taylorcraft) , then they can explain what they will do to rectify the situation.
Money talks and bullxxxx walks.

[Ed O'Brien]

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Bill;
You and I have had our disagreements regarding the factory. I've often argued for a wait and see (give them time) point of view. Now with adults taking over the factory, I think it's time to be firm...

"The factory has one more chance to get it right. Take this opportunity to get to the bottom of everything. Harry Ingrams credibility is shot, blown, and gone for good. People on this board represent your most probable clients and customers. Find out what went wrong and tell us what you plan to do about it. THEN do it. Your final opportunity is here. DON'T BLOW IT. Be honest, forthright, and let the chips fall where they may. It's your only chance and it really is no longer a choice!"

The sub-prime mortgage mess is a good example of lost trust. We've seen the same with airlines, American automobile manufacturers, tobacco, penny stocks, and Savings and Loans. Once great companies have been stood up and shot for less than Harry's foolishness. I strongly suggest you not follow down this dismal and shameful road. The fatal path of sugar coating everything to death is a blatant mistake. Do the right thing and soon.

With regards;
ED OBRIEN

[VictorBravo]

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According to them Harry was back in the shop "working" today

Ohhhh..... Well, somehow that doesn't inspire a whole lot of good thoughts, but it's long past time for me to lay low on this subject.

[freightpilot27]

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Wow! I never thought I would start a 3+ page thread.
Obviously, I hope the factory turns it self around to support our wonderful aircraft.

Just like our ALPA contract at work........ Are we going to get what we want? I'm NOT holding my breath!
:boxing:

[jstall]

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I'm sorry folks, Harry Ingram is unacceptable period!!!!!! if he is there then I"m not. They owe me parts or money and thats it, creditablity, well????
Nope, this guy isn't going to change, he did Chrysler, he did LaGrange
and Brownsville, and now me

Screw Him

JS

[crispy critter]

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I have talked freely with Mr. Patrick & Steve Cooner for years.
When they are ready they will say what they have to say. According to them Harry was back in the shop "working" today , that is good I like to see work :yahoo: .

The water is still rising across the road in he Mahoning River , hope I do not ahve build an Ark!

Forrest,
I've got an airboat if you need to borrow it.LOL

[Forrest Barber]

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I have talked freely with Mr. Patrick & Steve Cooner for years.
When they are ready they will say what they have to say. According to them Harry was back in the shop "working" today , that is good I like to see work :yahoo: .

The water is still rising across the road in he Mahoning River , hope I do not ahve build an Ark!

[VictorBravo]

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If it was me you're talking about, I apologize for sounding like I was bashing D&E. I was not. If I offended Scott or anyone at D&E they have a 100% sincere apology. I do stand by the idea they need to say something, even if it is just acknowledging that Harry is out and they are in.

However I had a valid point that nobody knows which side of the fence they're on, and I personally agree that they need to make some immediate, loud, clear statements.

Hank is of course right in that they need time to sort everything out. We can't expect them to make any big claims, strut guarantees, etc... way too soon for that. BUT, it would help them immensely even just to say "We've been sent in by Mr. Patrick to clean up what is obviously a big mess, Harry is no longer involved in the day to day operations or the decision making, and we'll get back to you as soon as we've sorted some of this mess out"

One more time, my apologies to Scott and the D&E people if they misunderstood the intent of my words.

[Forrest Barber]

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Hank you have a great grasp on this situation. thank u
Ed Fisher is a long time friend and very Excellent Designer, Mechanic and Pilot. He sums it up along with Hank.

I try to remain a bit of neutrality, watching, moderating, learning, contributing, making phone calls, working with the FAA & NTSB .
Those of you who have thought of law suits ; do it , but don't throw good money after bad!
It is a mess, I have spent way too much time in the past trying to help.
The light may be at the end of the tunnel.
DICK Huish , about time for lunch again?? I can come your way!

[Dick Huish]

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Hi Ed, Long time no see!!! Dick

[jstall]

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Hello Group- I am new to this, please bear with me. I feel compelled, as a personal friend and business associate with the D & E team of Steve C. and Scot R., that Only about a week ago, they were asked to step into the Taylorcraft Mix, by Harvey P. The goal, to Save Taylorcraft, If it was at all possible.
These guys are honest businessmen, with a desire to make wrongs right. They have had nothing to do with the Lying, cheating, and thievery, and past degradation accomplished by Harry I.
I, personally, do not know what the outcome will be. I Know they went to Texas to see if anything could be done. I know they have talked to some of you about Strut orders.
For those of you who are bashing D & E, your efforts are being directed in the wrong direction. Again, I personally think the Taylorcraft company was poisioned by a criminal, but it was not D & E.....Ed Fisher, Raceair Designs

Ed you are right on target with this, and the term CRIMINAL IS RIGHT ON TARGET ALSO, I've been after Harry Ingram for 3 months trying to get Texas, the County Sherrif, the DA for Cameron Country and others into this
to try and prosecute him for criminal behaviour so far no takers?? so much for TEXAS

Anyway, I sure hope Steve and Scot can get something rolling again on this

JS

[Hank Jarrett]

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With a mess the size that Harry made I can understand that they aren't saying anything yet. It could take quite a while to figure his books out (if there are any). I would rather have silence than a series of public denouncements and a bunch of finger pointing that have to be partially or completely retracted in the future. That ruins THEIR credibility. Let them get their feet on the ground and find the "Truth" in Texas. Then we can judge them by their INFORMED actions.
That said, I will proceed with caution. I WON'T be sending any cash or checks to Taylorcraft until their credibility is restored. I hope that is soon. If it isn't, we have several credible, trustworthy suppliers on line now. I would trust Taylorcraft LESS if they jumped in the "Beat up Harry" line before they had all the facts.
Hank

I'm sure they have enough information on him to slap him around some already; we just haven't been invited to the party yet. :boxing:

[CraigH]

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If the new folks wish to turn Taylorcaft around (and I sincerely hope they do), there is one step they need to take that they currently have not. The need to announce that Harry will not be involved with the new company in any way, shape or form.

They need to make this announcement quickly. They need to make this announcement publicly. They need to make this announcement repeatedly in a very loud voice. Until this is accomplished the shadow of doom that Harry has cast on the company will continue to follow them.