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  • #16
    Re: TC Factory news?

    I think what Kevin may have ment was that the opportunity for us to comment on the AD before it was issued was waived because it was issued as an emergency AD. If they had worked WITH the owners, IA's and A@P's and given consideration for our input before the AD was issued we could have solved the aging strut issue without all the problems we have now. I don't think any Service Bulletins were sent either which really should have been done-which would have given an alert to those who had neglected to check for strut problems to do so and how they should accomplish this. Any struts in as bad shape as those presented to the FAA by the factory would have been found by the visual inspection and we could work with the FAA on the AD.
    Buell Powell TF#476
    1941 BC12-65 NC29748
    1946 Fairchild 24 NC81330

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    • #17
      Re: TC Factory news?

      Originally posted by Buell Powell View Post
      I think what Kevin may have ment was that the opportunity for us to comment on the AD before it was issued was waived because it was issued as an emergency AD. If they had worked WITH the owners, IA's and A@P's and given consideration for our input before the AD was issued we could have solved the aging strut issue without all the problems we have now. I don't think any Service Bulletins were sent either which really should have been done-which would have given an alert to those who had neglected to check for strut problems to do so and how they should accomplish this. Any struts in as bad shape as those presented to the FAA by the factory would have been found by the visual inspection and we could work with the FAA on the AD.
      Buell and all,

      Put this in the search box and read page 1 of the thread;

      "Airworthiness Directive Concerns 2007"

      There were 4 months to respond, sorry to burst your bubble.

      Dave

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      • #18
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        Atta boy , jstall hope your blood pressure came back down. Have your IA stay a bit more current. will look forwaard to listening on the answering machine next week. GLAD it worked out , saw it on the other thread too!
        Last edited by Forrest Barber; 01-05-2008, 20:54.
        Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
        Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
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        • #19
          Re: TC Factory news?

          Dave,
          What I was refering to was under the heading FAA's Determination of the effective date where it states that the risk to the flying public justifies waiving public notice----- therefore we have determined that notice and oppertunity for public comment before issuing the AD are impracticcable. If anything was sent to the owners by the FAA or a Service Bulletin was mailed before recieving the AD I didn't get mine. I suppose that we should have written a comment to Mr. McAnual but the first chance to comment on the AD as written was only after it was issued.
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          Buell Powell TF#476
          1941 BC12-65 NC29748
          1946 Fairchild 24 NC81330

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          • #20
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            Hi Buell,

            I read that part as you suggested. Does seem paradoxical doesn't it.

            I happened to be looking up the Continental Service bulletin that covers cylinder inspection tonite.

            After reading your posts it got me thinking. I never got that Continental SB either sent to me either. I don't think factories send them out to owners as rule.

            I have found most of them by searching websites and documents, including the t-craft strut SB.

            I may have gotten a few sent to me regarding vacuum pumps, that's all I recall getiing in the mail and they may have been FAA docs can't recall for sure.

            Dave

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            • #21
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              Dave,
              You are probably right that factorys usually don't mail out Service Bulletins but the Taylorcraft factory should have sent one out on this one as soon as they found a potental danger and welcomed input from owners since it was of such importance as to call for an emergency AD if the motivation had been for concern for safey. We can thank Forrest for the information he has posted but I did not recieve or see any information at all from the Factory. The FAA did respond to some of the comments posted after the original AD had been issued and this is why I posted that we need to send comments to the New AD while we have a chance.
              Last edited by Buell Powell; 01-06-2008, 05:24.
              Buell Powell TF#476
              1941 BC12-65 NC29748
              1946 Fairchild 24 NC81330

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              • #22
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                Originally posted by Buell Powell View Post
                Dave,
                The FAA did respond to some of the comments posted after the original AD had been issued and this is why I believe we should send comments to the New AD while we have a chance.
                Buell,

                You and I have comments posted toward the new AD. I find it hard to believe with all of the complaining that has gone on about the Taylorcraft owners having no input toward the AD that our group has not flooded the FAA with comments that could affect the revised AD. Forrest said he has made comments directly to the FAA, but that is not the same as replying to the request for comments on the FAA's site.
                Tom Butler
                TF #743
                ex F21 N2005U
                F22 N2202T

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                • #23
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                  Tom,
                  I agree. The FAA is giving us a chance to comment and hopefully respond to positive changes- this time BEFORE the AD is issued.As far as they know by the comments that have been sent. Only two of us are not completly satisified with the AD as it is now.I don't understand the lack of interest either-it takes very little time to send a comment that will go directly to the FAA on the AD. It sure wont get many results if we just moan and gripe to each other. It seems like there would be others that have ideas for changes that would be of help or agree with some of the changes we have proposed and would send comments for support.
                  Last edited by Buell Powell; 01-06-2008, 08:54.
                  Buell Powell TF#476
                  1941 BC12-65 NC29748
                  1946 Fairchild 24 NC81330

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                  • #24
                    Re: TC Factory news?

                    Check out the factory web site. Harry has indicated that new struts are about ready to ship, and some investors want to start making parts and airplanes again.
                    Robbie
                    TF#832
                    N44338
                    "46" BC12D
                    Fond du lac WI

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                    • #25
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                      which is it, some are being shipped TODAY, oh wait, no NEXT WEEK, Yes, that's it next week for sure???? the joke goes on, T.

                      New January 2, 2008 Happy New Year! After the latest drawing revisions are approved by the FAA, we will finally start shipping new lift struts next week.



                      November 21, 2007 The lift struts are finally beginning to ship out to our customers,

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                      • #26
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                        Hope these investors did there due diligence on Harry.
                        L Fries
                        N96718
                        TF#110

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                        • #27
                          Adult Highschool Prank

                          It really is amazing, the Factory issues an SB, gets the FAA to issue an AD(to encompass all A, B, F models-some of which the factory does not own the TCDS), and then cannot build and delivery spare parts to service the community.

                          Then, a third party, in 8 weeks, builds and gains approval to produce the same part the factory was supposed to build.

                          Think of the amount of money, time, and effort spent that the factory has masterminded. Simply by throwing a stink bomb or two into the crowd at the symphony.
                          Mike Burnett
                          1941 BL-65
                          NC29815
                          469-951-3433

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                          • #28
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                            Originally posted by robbie View Post
                            Check out the factory web site. Harry has indicated that new struts are about ready to ship, and some investors want to start making parts and airplanes again.
                            www.taylorcraft.com/zencart/
                            From the "factory" website:

                            "Last month we started negotiations with an investment group that wants to build up our parts inventory and re-start aircraft production in 2009, I will release details ASAP."

                            After diligent searching on the internet I think I may have found the investment group that will be financing Harry's company:

                            For Immediate Release
                            Exclusive Investment Group Signs Financing Deal With Taylorcraft, LLC

                            Bellevue Hospital, New York, January 1, 2008 - A prestigious investment banking firm headed by three prominent financiers has signed a financing deal with Taylorcraft Aviation, LLC. Taylorcraft president Harry Ingram has made his eighty-seventh promise to be able to conduct legitimate business, praising the three financiers at the firm of Howard, Fine & Howard. Of the monumental agreement, Ingram recalls; " Moe drove a hard bargain. When I asked him for three hundred and twenty million in unmarked bills he said he would never give a numbskull that much dough and attempted to poke both my eyes out at once. Just when I thought our deal was in jeopardy, another of the partners, Curly, immediately started walking in an animated march across the room with great pompousness and said 'Now here's a "strut" that Harry could actually produce, nyuk nyuk!!'. Moe seemed to be impressed but at the same moment the third partner, Larry, who was holding one of our new wing struts made of Un-Obtanium, spun around so that the ends of the strut simultaneously struck Moe and Curly on the backs of their heads.

                            "I managed to calm them down by letting them know there was a two million dollar market for parts. The financiers asked how I would create such a market when there was really no need for the parts on 90% of the airplanes. I demonstrated my sales technique by squeezing Larry's nose with a pair of pliers which had the letters FAA stamped on them, and put a large quill pen in his hand and a sales contract on the table in front of him. After this demonstration of my business acumen, negotiations were finally resumed.

                            "We almost had a signed deal back in October, but when Curly went to sign the investment portfolio using a bladder type pen, the bladder shot all the ink out into Curly's face, resulting in his starched collar springing open and the front of his tunic rolling upwards into his chin. When he reached for the pen in Moe's vest pocket, Moe brought the meeting to a temporary halt with a blow from an abnormally large wooden mallet to Curly's head.

                            "The local law enforcement (Keystone Police Department) were forced to use batons to subdue the parties, all the while I was trying to convince Moe and the boys that their investment would be secured by a trust deed to a local bridge in nearby Brooklyn. Like I said, Moe drove a hard bargain and insisted that the deal be secured instead with a large tract of prime land I owned in the southern tip of Florida.

                            "The deal was finally closed when I managed to convince the financiers that there were military applications and lucrative contracts that were ripe for the taking if they would just sign on the dotted line. Only the presence of the military representative, Sergeant Ernest Bilko, lent the required amount of credibility to make this happen.

                            "Our accountant, Phineas Taylor Barnum had all the documents ready to sign, and the financiers congratulated themselves in a splendid investment. They handed over the signed papers to their attorneys from the firm of Marx, Marx, Marx and Marx for safekeeping.

                            "All in all, Taylorcraft Aviation, LLC is poised for immediate growth and success, and we'll be building new and used airplanes within 14 days. I'd like to thank all the loyal and trusting customers who have stuck with us through hundreds of false promises, having their aircraft dismantled in our Restoration/Chop Shop and re-sold as parts to other trusting customers, as well as the management of our new production facility here at Bellevue Hospital.

                            "And now one of my executives will be tying the ends of my tuxedo sleeves together behind my back and I'll be going to a meeting with my engineering department. "

                            Say Good Night, Harry...
                            Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                            Bill Berle
                            TF#693

                            http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                            http://www.grantstar.net
                            N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                            N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                            N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                            N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                            • #29
                              Re: Adult Highschool Prank

                              Originally posted by MJB View Post
                              It really is amazing, the Factory issues an SB, gets the FAA to issue an AD(to encompass all A, B, F models-some of which the factory does not own the TCDS), and then cannot build and delivery spare parts to service the community.

                              Then, a third party, in 8 weeks, builds and gains approval to produce the same part the factory was supposed to build.

                              Think of the amount of money, time, and effort spent that the factory has masterminded. Simply by throwing a stink bomb or two into the crowd at the symphony.
                              AMEN BROTHER

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                              • #30
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                                Bill,
                                That had me rolling in the floor! Anyone who even considers doing business with the factory at this point should probably be admitted to Bellvue themselves. It utterly amazes me that people are still sending them money.
                                Craig Helm
                                Prior owner N8ZU '90 F21B
                                KRPH

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