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**VictorBravo** · 12-24-2007, 09:38

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Judging by the photos and description of their CNC capability, Precision AeroMarine should be able to do not only B model spar kits, but wood rib kits (don't the L-2's have all wood wings?). Should make a lot of airplane restorers very happy. IMHO they desperately need to get set up to fill potential orders for "owner produced parts".

**Larry Lyons** · 01-03-2008, 07:56

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Then we have a great idea at www.PrecisionAM.net they say they will do spars. Steve Krog contacted me about this about two months ago. It is now listed in November Sport Aviation along with a great article on Steve & Sharon.

Does anyone have a phone number for these guys? I emailed them Friday Dec. 21 before Christmas and have not heard anything from them. I thought maybe they were shut down for the holidays so have been waiting but am getting impatient. I can not find any phone number anywhere, on their web site or Google. Strange!

Larry

**1938BF50** · 01-03-2008, 14:19

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Phone 262.397.6789 or email: [email protected]

**Larry Lyons** · 01-03-2008, 20:09

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Thanks Mike, I will try to call tomorrow.

Larry

**Larry Lyons** · 01-14-2008, 22:46

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Well! I now have one email and two phone calls in to Precision Aero. No answer, no response, nothing, over a three week period! Has anyone had any luck at all contacting them? Not trying to be ornery but do expect some sort of response.

Larry

**40tcrate** · 01-14-2008, 23:39

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Just called them today. They get $1940 plus shipping for a set of spars.

**Tom Garrick** · 01-17-2008, 19:28

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Forrest,
We have been having major problems. The problems of stealing, lying to and cheating the members of this forum come second to the loss of love of the Taylorcraft and flying that Harry Ingram have brought us. I can say with confidence that if anyone else has done so mucn damage to Taylorcraft owners you would have barred him from thie dicussion group long ago. He has sold stolen parts as new. He has taken money from our group with no hope of giving anything in return and you start off this post with, "First there is The Taylorcraft Factory". You have been a friend for years and always will be. I have relied on your experience and dedication for over a decade. It truly is time we as a group tell Harry and his counterpart in Florida That they are poisen to our health and are not welcome.
Please take comments as a way to build on our strengths together. I am looking at ways for us to grow not ways to do any "Harry Bashing". Please can we go forward without this man.

Your friend always,

Tom Garrick

**Forrest Barber** · 01-20-2008, 12:02

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I repeat ; FIRST , when I say this I refer to the web site ; www.taylorcraft.com I don't use the factory, Mike Rice is the webmaster, he & I exchange information. Way back in the Summer months , Harry Ingram stared to shape up the factory or so it seemed, I tried to work with him at that time.
As usual it came to an end , I and many others have not been able to contact the factory for a few weeks. I do not have an answer , I could never understand ANYBODY dealing with a company with no real history and a history of no delivery. I have told Tom this and still it goes on.
This thread and all threads are in constant flux. Move on , I have.

**Forrest Barber** · 02-01-2008, 19:44

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His "counterpart" may be the solution. This is starting to play out.
The answer may indeed be Steve Cooner at www.de-aircraft.com next week may bring more solutions . Give it another chance.
I may be beating a dead horse but it is in my nature to do so ; IF it doesn't cost me a lot of money and only time.

**Forrest Barber** · 02-01-2008, 19:50

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Another thing cropped up of course ; have your mechanics checked into the weight difference in the various replacent struts?? these replacement manufacturers do not seem to address that situation. THEY could not supply the arm of the new struts. I think the Airframe ones are over 6 # difference on the rears , maybe 1# difference on the fronts. I think the arm will be about where the jury strut adjusters are located .
Mike Sellers, Univair , any comment.
Airframes; Wag-Aero ? Factory struts probably are the same wts..

**Steve Samo** · 03-02-2008, 17:19

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Hello All,

I will offer that in restoring my F-19 over the last few months, Harry did answer the phone, eventually, and ship a vertical fin as well as some other parts. I did also purchase parts from Univair and found them to be very responsive and helpful. I have very little experience as compared to the rest of you, but it would appear to me that any effort that moves in the direction of transferrring support to the other companies is probably a good idea. I have no axe to grind with Harry, but he made it a bit of a job to spend money with him by the time you followed up and tracked him down.

PS. I did flirt with purchasing a fuselage from Scott of DE Aircraft and he was very responsive and professional.

**ricky** · 03-26-2008, 20:58

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Hi gang,well,I myself has receive part from Mr Imgram,i was able to redo
my left spar,just finnished it last feb/08,and new cowling. There other
stuff I receive from Mr.Ingram,it took a while,these were new part,not old
one,now that Mr.Ingram is outa the picture,let get going on our project,
and sit back and see what happen on factory problem.

**UNIVAIR** · 03-27-2008, 07:41

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Originally posted by Forrest Barber View Post

Another thing cropped up of course ; have your mechanics checked into the weight difference in the various replacent struts?? these replacement manufacturers do not seem to address that situation. THEY could not supply the arm of the new struts. I think the Airframe ones are over 6 # difference on the rears , maybe 1# difference on the fronts. I think the arm will be about where the jury strut adjusters are located .
Mike Sellers, Univair , any comment.
Airframes; Wag-Aero ? Factory struts probably are the same wts..

This is the first I have heard of a weight difference on any of the struts. I'm not suppressed that the Airframes, Inc struts would be a bit heavier but I would not have figured that they would be that much heavier. Our struts are made of one of the cross sections that Taylorcraft called out on their A-A815 and A-A854 drawings, same material, same wall thickness. Therefore, if you are swapping out like for like, there should be no weight change. Even if it is one of the other cross sections that T-Craft used, the weight difference should be negligible.

What Lee used on his struts was a cross section he was using for the PA-12 and PA-18 Super Cub. The struts he was making for were largely intended for sale in the Alaskan market where he lives. We make our own version of these struts as well. Any of you T-Craft owners who have purchased them will notice that the cross section is much larger than the T-Craft strut because that is a Piper cross section. Next, these "heavy duty" struts that were designed to keep from buckling when you have a 6 foot snow load on your wing. The wing struts are designed to be put under a tensional load not compression. The several hundred pounds imposed by a wing covered by huge snow loads would cause the stock strut to fail. This is the blank Lee had available and this is what he obviously used for his strut.

In the old days, many of our PMAs (Parts Manufacturing Approvals) we obtained were under "Identically". That is hard to do now days. We use the "Test and Computation" method. Because Lee had a product that was so different in weight and shape it was just easier for him to go down the Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) road. This is because his product was enough different from the product used on the original Type Design. In other words, the way T-Craft built them.

Regards,

Mike Sellers
Marketing & Sales Manager
Univair Aircraft

**UNIVAIR** · 03-27-2008, 08:15

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While we are on the subject of struts; we have had several people calling in recent days antsy about when are we going to get some struts to them. Since Airframes, Inc isn’t making any and we won’t talk about the T-Craft factory, we have been taking quite a few orders for struts. The guys who have been burned by Harry are especially concerned.

We have our very best Jedi Master welder making those struts. He has analyzed his own time and motion efforts to make himself a strut making machine. He can crank out a rear strut in about 25 minutes. A front strut takes about 50 minutes. We shove steel at him, we get struts back. We stay out of his way and don’t bug him. He cannot make struts any faster and have them look the way we want them to look. We are doing them in batches of 50 each.

As of this writing, we have about 25 orders in house. I personally pulled strut orders day before yesterday and got us caught up on orders taken from about 2/11 through 2/27. We have about 45 front struts on hand and there are about 50 to 51 completed rear struts waiting to be sandblasted and primed. Those struts should be through the shop about the first thing next week. We will hopefully be able to take care of all orders except for maybe two or three taken in just the last couple of days because I won’t have quite enough fronts to cover all orders in hand. However, unless we see a blitz of orders in the next several days, we might finally crawl out of the hole on these things and be able to have some in stock again ready to ship before too many more weeks go by.

Regards,

Mike Sellers
Univair Aircraft

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