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I guess it comes down to this; only the FAA can determine what a sealed strut is.
Those that have received their struts...can someone post pictures of the ends and/or tell me EXACTLY how to tell if you have sealed struts?
Thanks.
1946 BC-12D N96016
I have known today a magnificent intoxication. I have learnt how it feels to be a bird. I have flown. Yes I have flown. I am still astonished at it, still deeply moved. — Le Figaro, 1908
Univair just seemed to be ticked off because I purchased them thru Spruce at a $30/each discount to what they were selling them for (enough to pay the freight). The Univair guy complained about not making any margin on the struts sold to Spruce so I asked why are you selling to them anyway? No response.
so then Univair claiming to only be making a $30 profit on each strut? Sounds like the problem is not in us buying from Spruce, it's them paying too much for the raw materials or he's just flat out lying.
I just received an email from Levi Ward at Airframes, Inc., just north of Anchorage. He said they were told they would recieve their PMA this week and they are now building struts. They will begin shipping when the FAA paperwork arrives, $1800 per set is what I was quoted plus shipping.
I am ordering from them and I (and they) are willing to batch orders shipped to one location. I live in Iowa and would be interested and willing to have them shipped to my IA at the Iowa City Airport or a central location that might be better. Anyone interested?
I ordered mine on 8/17. At that time, the factory quoted shipping in 3 to 4 weeks. I called last week and was told 1 to 2 weeks more -- so expecting a call soon. I needed a BFR so checked out in a new Sport Cruiser -- very nice ship, but I want my T-Cart back. I'll let y'all know when they ship and arrive.
It is now 8 weeks since I ordered my struts from the factory. On Wednesday this week I called and Harry said they would ship that evening and call me with a tracking number. No call.. On Thursday, I called again and got the same story. This afternoon (Friday) I tried to call the factory and got no answer. Next week I leave for a vacation. I'm getting very frustrated with the runaround.
At this point, If Univair or Airframes had the paperwork for BC-65 struts, I'd cancel at the factory and order from them.
I apologize in advance to anyone within the FAA who is working on the GOOD side of this issue. But by backing the factory on a bogus AD, and by helping the factory frighten the owners into spending money on something they might not have had to spend money on, The FAA may have just stepped outside the normal legal protection that a federal agency would otherwise have. I can easily see the FAA involved as a co-defendant in a lawsuit using the words collusion, undue influence, perpetuating and assisting in the commission of fraud by a private company, etc. etc.
When the "factory" goes tango uniform once again, the only deep pocket left standing on the playing field will be the FAA. Considering how so many of the FAA's mis-steps and mistakes have been due to their living in fear of lawsuits, I find this ironic as all hell.
Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting
I rather wonder if there might be some government oversight committee who would be interested in the history of the development of this A.D. directly from a document written by a company that is set up to and expecting to make considerable profit from the implementation of said A.D.
Am I correct that there is no recorded instance of an inflight failure of a Taylorcraft strut? That is pretty good ammo for any committee.
Furthermore I am fairly certain that I can find a lawyer who would be interested in a class action suit against you know who over the above behavior.
It has started to irritate me more as I think that we are talking so much about "working it out" so they can only take part of our money for a non-existant problem, and that we should be content with it. For 1800 bucks I can buy a heck of a lot of other goodies for my plane that I would actually use and enjoy. Some of those goodies would make it safer in reality, not just on paper.
It is now 8 weeks since I ordered my struts from the factory. On Wednesday this week I called and Harry said they would ship that evening and call me with a tracking number. No call.. On Thursday, I called again and got the same story. This afternoon (Friday) I tried to call the factory and got no answer. Next week I leave for a vacation. I'm getting very frustrated with the runaround.
At this point, If Univair or Airframes had the paperwork for BC-65 struts, I'd cancel at the factory and order from them.
Dan,
If I were in your shoes I think I would so this assuming you have sent no $ to the factory.
1) verify that the bc-65 is on the same TCDS as the bc12d
2) get a copy of the strut(s) drawing from Forrest/TF
3) get Univair to allow you to compare your drawing to the drawiing you got in #2 above
4) do a feild approval/AMOC with Andy McAnual and your IA/FSDO by showing that the parts are identical
I received a call from Airframes, Inc, in Alaska on Thursday evening. They said they have received the PMA and will start shipping next Friday. The cost is $1800, plus crating and shipping. The total cost to ship to Iowa is $2025.
I called the factory today -- they have still another delay in shipping. So I canceled with them and ordered from Airframes. They quoted a 2 to 3 week delivery and considerably less expense..
I too talked to the factory today and while I also am a bit dissapointed in the further delay, I would rather have struts of 4130 that will trully last the lifetime of my plane. I will patiently wait for the factory's better struts.
I too talked to the factory today and while I also am a bit dissapointed in the further delay, I would rather have struts of 4130 that will trully last the lifetime of my plane. I will patiently wait for the factory's better struts.
Tom, I've read many pro factory post from you over a period of time, but this one takes the cake. I've never said anything negative about the factory. I've never had any bad dealings with the factory, but your statement just rubs me wrong.
1. Some of these airplanes are almost 70 years old. What do you consider the life of the airplane to be?
2. Most of the struts being tested are checking out OK, and would most likely will last the airplane for life. Of the ones that test bad do you think they would have tested OK if they had been made of 4130?
3. Which do you think will more likely make the struts last the life of the airplane the design change, or the materials change?
4. What really makes you think the factory struts will be better than the other FAA approved struts?
Tom Baker Jr.
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