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    Corrosion is becoming a bigger issue for us all the time. I would like to relate a really good experience I had today with an alternative way to protect against corrosion on metal parts.

    My EAA chapter president is a machinist, fabricator, and high level tinkerer. He told me about a series of metal coating products that were sold as Kal-Gard up until recently, and is now called KG Coatings. www.kgcoatings.com

    This is the kind of high tech coating stuff they used originally in high dollar racing engines. Now the products are used for gun finishes, high wear parts on hi-per cars, and industrial uses. Charlie did my tailwheel leaf springs today using the KG Coating Gun-Kote. He showed me a couple of wrenches he coated years ago with this stuff, striking the wrenches together, rubbing them like a knife sharpener, banging them on the side of his toolbox. Not a blemish on them.

    This stuff is awesome. I read the spec sheets and researched the stuff on the company's website. The Gun-Kote is tested to exceed a fairly heavy duty mil-spec for saltwater immersion and spray with no corrosion or shipping. There is no known solvent that will loosen it from a properly prepared metal surface. It is highly corrosion resistant and some flavors of the stuff are very slippery to assist in lubrication, some are just protective coatings.

    They have a Molybdenum material, a Teflon material, and protective finish materials. They also have a ceramic coating for the tops of pistons, etc. but this is for NASCAR and F-1 engines, there would be little benefit to our old dinosaurs.

    From what I have seen so far, this stuff appears to have several advantages over powder coating, but is not as thick of a buildup. So it would not "hide" cracks like powder coating could. The finish is less than half a ten-thousandth.

    Based on what I have seen on my tailwheel springs I would highly recommend this stuff anywhere you want to have a permanent corrosion barrier. If I was re-doing a set of landing gears, or spar fittings, or an engine mount, or a crankcase, I'd do it with this stuff in a heartbeat. Because of the high resistance to chipping and peeling I would use it on a propeller instead of paint as well.

    It is a one part finish that you spray on after sandblasting, then bake it at 250 or 350 F for an hour or two.

    If anyone knows anything bad or good about this material please post it. If it is HALF as good as what I am thinking right now I would heartily recommend it and I would expect it to become a lifetime corrosion solution on any surface it is baked into.
    Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

    Bill Berle
    TF#693

    http://www.ezflaphandle.com
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    N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
    N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
    N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
    N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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    Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

    I was thinking about the same type of thing with Aircraft Finishing Systems' Evershield....but it's a tough one to get into your strut... Once there, it would be great! What's prices on this stuff you're talking about?
    JH
    I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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      Be careful of what kind of coatings you are putting on your aircraft, the feds get kinda sticky about what can be used, for a while they were getting to the point of wanting every epoxy and powder coating process approved before it was used on an airplane. I think that they have backed off of the that issue but it could still be out there. Tim
      N29787
      '41 BC12-65

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by astjp2 View Post
        Be careful of what kind of coatings you are putting on your aircraft, the feds get kinda sticky about what can be used, for a while they were getting to the point of wanting every epoxy and powder coating process approved before it was used on an airplane. I think that they have backed off of the that issue but it could still be out there. Tim
        The feds may be doing any number of things that do or do not make sense, but in IMHO , inthe final analysis put the coating on your airplane parts that delivers the best performance. Fortunately the stuff originally mentioned above is a mil-spec deal, so by most definitions the FAA should not be able to question it too much.

        If the seaplane in Oregon had used this material the corrosion would not have gotten to the metal even in salt water. But it would be a big project to do the fuselage with this material.
        Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

        Bill Berle
        TF#693

        http://www.ezflaphandle.com
        http://www.grantstar.net
        N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
        N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
        N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
        N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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        • #5
          Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

          there is an outfit in Ca. that does ag cat frame powder coating so tcrafts would fit in there oven.

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          • #6
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            I did an annual on a Super Cub one time that had a powder coated frame... turned out that there was a tube broken that the powder coat didn't show... (just happened to be in the right place and saw it move when someone else leaned on the airframe, or I doubt it would've been found until it was a problem......sure cured me of ever letting anything with a powder coated frame through my doors again!
            JH
            I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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            • #7
              Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

              Originally posted by N96337 View Post
              I did an annual on a Super Cub one time that had a powder coated frame... turned out that there was a tube broken that the powder coat didn't show... (just happened to be in the right place and saw it move when someone else leaned on the airframe, or I doubt it would've been found until it was a problem......sure cured me of ever letting anything with a powder coated frame through my doors again!
              JH
              The FAA has mentioned to me once or twice that they have the same problem with powder coat. They may be on to something valid, especially if there was a broken tube that was not visible on the Cub.

              The nice thing about the Kal-Gard that might apply here is that the final finished surface is about .0004 (four ten thousandths) thick. I suspect that it is unlikely a broken tube or a crack would be covered over by it.
              Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

              Bill Berle
              TF#693

              http://www.ezflaphandle.com
              http://www.grantstar.net
              N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
              N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
              N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
              N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                wonder how kal gard holds up against fertilizer and corrosive chemicals,sounds really interesting I think I willl look into it.
                I don't think powder coating is any tougher than paint but alot more expensive
                At least as I say there is one oven I know of big enough for a tcraft and kal gard.
                I might try it on a spray boom for next summer....keep you posted.

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                  If you have ever had to scrape off powder coating from and airframe area that was mistakenly powdercoated, you would wish you had paint. I spent hours scraping about 4 square inches of material with a razor blade and had a very hard time not scraping into and destroying the steel tubes. Tim
                  N29787
                  '41 BC12-65

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by tawadc95 View Post
                    wonder how kal gard holds up against fertilizer and corrosive chemicals,sounds really interesting I think I willl look into it.
                    I don't think powder coating is any tougher than paint but alot more expensive
                    At least as I say there is one oven I know of big enough for a tcraft and kal gard.
                    I might try it on a spray boom for next summer....keep you posted.
                    Look at their website and see what they say about various chemicals. I know they developed the stuff for military weapons, they probably have mil-specs and material data sheets and ASTM tests on it. I saw one sentence that said there is no known solvent once it is cured, but you can surely ask them about any particular chemical, fertilizer, etc. If I were in your shoes I'd contact them and ask if you can have a sample to perform a test on a spray boom. Better yet, if I were you I'd buy a quart, put it on a spray boom, see if it works, and then if it does work get an exclusive distributorship for aviation AG stuff. My best guess is that if AG operators do have problems corroding spray booms and steel parts you will be on to something REAL good. If you become a zillionaire form this idea, remember to buy me a beer sometime
                    Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                    Bill Berle
                    TF#693

                    http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                    http://www.grantstar.net
                    N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                    N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                    N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                    N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                      Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                      KG INDUSTRIES: THE LEADER IN METAL PROTECTION Metal parts require a variety of lubricants to ensure proper function and reduced wear and tear. When it comes to protecting metal components, no one does it better than KG Industries, LLC. For more than fifty years, KG has been a recognized


                      They have several different products, some of which are specifically aimed at corrosion, some of which are more lubricant related. I think their "Gun Kote" is the right stuff for what you want.
                      Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                      Bill Berle
                      TF#693

                      http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                      http://www.grantstar.net
                      N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                      N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                      N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                      N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                      • #12
                        Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                        all very good info! but if I may add one other method of protecting against corrosion.

                        Move your plane to Phoenix, AZ

                        so is it considered taboo to powdercoat struts?
                        DJ Vegh
                        Owned N43122/Ser. No. 6781 from 2006-2016
                        www.azchoppercam.com
                        www.aerialsphere.com
                        Mesa, AZ

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                        • #13
                          Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                          Is Arizona part of Africa I went there once and it reminded me of Nevada.
                          Interesting thought Bill I am going to contact them!!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                            Bought my dream shotgun, a Browning Auto five back in the early 70s for duck hunting . The old Double just didn't carry enough lead when you were feeding half the town. Got tired of oiling the gun all the time or it would rust up quickly in the salt water around the california marsh. Gun -Coated it and have not cleaned it since and it never rusted again. Course I greased the springs and extracters and run a patch down the barrel. Might add iI have not shot it in 5 years . Hate the taste of ducks anyway
                            Gun Coat good stuf , just don't let the wife catch you baking it in her oven.
                            B 52 Norm
                            1946 BC12-D1 Nc 44496
                            Quicksilver AMPIB, N4NH
                            AOPA 11996 EAA 32643
                            NRA4734945
                            Lake Thunderbird , Cherokee Village
                            Somewhere on the 38° parallel in NE Arkansas

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                            • #15
                              Re: Metal Coating GREAT Product

                              We don’t powercoat anything on our race trucks anymore. The powercoat hides all the cracks, welding on the frames after it has be powercoated is a all day job just getting it clean enough to weld.

                              I would like to try some of there product on the inside of the struts.

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