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    Please help me with some valve train questions.

    We're doing an overhaul and got new lifter hydraulic units (p/n 637269) that were shorter by 0.188" than the previous unit measured from the face where the push rod socket fits to the shoulder where the unit rests in the lifter body. I got a set of new push rods (p/n 537870) to compensate and they are 0.126"longer than the previous ones. So the new total length of the hydraulic unit and push rod is 0.062" shorter than the original (seems to be only one socket p/n).

    Here's some details:
    Part Old p/n and length (in) New p/n and length (in) Difference (in)
    Pushrod ?? 10.625 537870 10.751 0.126
    Hydr unit ?? 1.563 637269 1.375 -0.188
    Total length 12.188 12.126 -0.062

    ASS wrote on the red and yellow tags that came back that my old Lifter Bodies were p/n 21608 and my old Hydr Units were p/n 21609.

    The O/H manual says that the hydraulic units are designed to operate with 0.03 to 0.11" lash between the rocker and valve stem when the lifter is deflated. It also says elsewhere that "the light plunger spring (on the hydraulic unit) lifts the hydraulic plunger so that its outer end contacts the pushrod, taking up the clearance at this point and all along the valve train, giving zero lash."

    Before disassembly, there was no lash between the rocker and valve stem (due to the spring on the hydr. unit).

    My questions:
    (1) How do you measure lash when the spring on the hydr unit takes up all the lash? (The spring on the hydr unit is compressed about 0.050" just to get the rocker shaft in place measured with a dial gage before and after the shaft goes in.)

    (2) What are the proper part number combinations for this valve train, including lifter body, hydraulic unit, socket, pushrod?

    Any other information would be just great.

    Thanks for your help sorting out this problem. I get to fly when its solved!!

    Bob

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    Re: Help with the valve train parts and sizes

    Bob,

    Did you have machine work done? Did they machine any metal off your case, either where it goes together or where the cylinders mount? What about on the bottom of the cylinders? If very much metal was removed, you would need a shorter valve train. Why not call the shop that did the work and ask them what the deal is with the different length valve train.

    If you submerge the hydraulic units in oil, such as in a coffee can, and use a push rod to work the plunger up and down, they will "pump up". You will know when it is pumped up because the plunger with suddenly feel hard as a rock. That way you can tell exactly how much valve train you have.

    Sorry I can't help you with part numbers and lengths on the components. All I know is what the overhaul manual has in it.
    Richard Pearson
    N43381
    Fort Worth, Texas

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    • #3
      Re: Help with the valve train parts and sizes

      With the hydrolic units colapsed assemble the engine. You should be able to push against the pushrod end of the rocker arm against the spring. Push there and then measure the valve lash .030-.110. Remember the hydrolic units must be colapsed. If it falls between those numbers you are OK, if not they make different length pushrods. Tom

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      • #4
        Re: Help with the valve train parts and sizes

        Tom is correct. There are a couple of more things though. First make sure you have the correct lifter bodies for your cam shaft. If you have an iron cam you must use steel lifters, and if you have a steel cam you must use iron lifters. This is VERY important!

        Next assemble the crankcase halves with just the cam shaft and cam followers. Be sure that there is NO oil in the cam followers or hydraulic units. (you want to be able to collapse them easily). Use just enough bolts to hold it together, and make sure to put a little oil on the cam bearings and lobes.

        Next bolt on the jugs, again just a couple of bolts each is good. Now rotate the cam so that the follower is sitting on the lowest part of the cam lobe, of the valve you want to check. Install the push rod and hold the rocker arm in place while you push the rocker shaft. Now, push firmly on the push rod side of the rocker arm to collapse the lifter, and while holding it there, measure the distance between the valve end of the rocker arm and the valve.

        Hope this helps, Bob

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        • #5
          Re: Help with the valve train parts and sizes

          Thanks all - I followed your advice and now know how to check the lash. Mine was within the 0.030- 0.110" range. Thanks for all your quick replies. Bob

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