Tcraft POH

[gnflyn]

Does anyone know if there is a POH for the BC12 series aircraft? And if so where I could find one? Thanks

[CraigH]

Re: Tcraft POH

Try here: http://www.esscoaircraft.com/

more specifically, here: http://www.esscoaircraft.com/Taylorcraft_s/6033.htm

[Guest]

Re: Tcraft POH

What is POH?

Why would anyone pay $6 to ESSCOfor an aircraft specification when they are free on the faa site?

[CraigH]

Re: Tcraft POH

You can get the Pilot's Operating Handbook (flight manual) free from the FAA? Please post a link. And it's $11.

[Guest]

Re: Tcraft POH

Craig, thanks for the clarification. You can get the TCDS (type certificate data sheet) from www.faa.gov.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/A4C188A71430A54786256D36006B2DD7?OpenDocument

or

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/a4c188a71430a54786256d36006b2dd7/$FILE/A-696.pdf


one or both links should work.

These sheets have a lot of good data. They are free on the faa site but ESSCO sells them for 6 to 8 dollars! What a racket!

I suspect there is no official POH data other than what is in there and that if anyone purports to have it it's made up stuff copied and stapled together not a an official FAA approved document. I could be wrong. Been flying t-crafts since 1968 and have never seen one. Except the military L2 manual.

Hope this helps.

Free advice is normally worth what you paid for it but mine is worth twice that!

Dave.

[gnflyn]

Re: Tcraft POH

Interesting responses to my question, perhaps I should clarify it a bit. I recently had my flight review and the ground instruction included the required documents for flight. As I understood it the following items were required for legal flight:

Airworthiness Certificate - Got that
Current weight and balance sheet - got that
Pilot operating handbook - Hmmmmm, whats that and how do I get one???

Hence my inquiries to the group, hope this makes it easier to understand..

[lfries]

Re: Tcraft POH

Placards are approved for AC without an AFM or POH.
Taylorcrafts came before Airplane Flight Manuals and
POH's came after AFM's. I do have a Form ACA-809 (4-47)
Titled Operation Limitations which must be in the aircraft
(per the form). An older one says in view of the pilot.
Not really a lot of info on it. Airspeeds are cruise and never
exceed. Covers 65hp power rpm and minimum fuel octan, as well
as the location of the datum.
I got my ACA-809 from the FAA CD on N96818.

[DanBrown]

Re: Tcraft POH

I think the official answer is that there was no POH supplied by the manufacturer of this and most other classic aircraft. Some of the type organizations have gathered the data that goes into a POH -- description, basic operational data such as speeds, landing and takeoff distance ..;. -- stall characterists, recommended checklists, and weight & balance data. These are available on the web (for free) and often carried in the airplane as a POH. I don't know if an examiner would consider a handbook like that (if the tribe put these together for the various pre 1950 models) as satisfying the POH requirement or not. Any thoughts?

[3Dreaming]

Re: Tcraft POH

Interesting responses to my question, perhaps I should clarify it a bit. I recently had my flight review and the ground instruction included the required documents for flight. As I understood it the following items were required for legal flight:

Airworthiness Certificate - Got that
Current weight and balance sheet - got that
Pilot operating handbook - Hmmmmm, whats that and how do I get one???

Hence my inquiries to the group, hope this makes it easier to understand..

Your instructor needs to get it right. The way It is taught sometimes is ARROW, or now AROW.
A= Airworthiness certificate.
R= Registration.
R= Radio station license. (Only required if crossing the US border now.)
O= Operating limitations. (May be in the form of placards or instrument
markings. It might be POH.)
W= Weight and balance.

[alwaysoar]

Re: Tcraft POH

There's a "Taylorcraft B & B12 Owners Manual" and a "Taylorcraft BC12D Service Manual" that Univair has copied from the originals. They are pretty skimpy next to a modern POH and don't give any "how to" information. They would satisfy any CFI (they would me) giving a flight review, however, and have some very good information when taken together. But that's all there is.

Ed@BTV VT
TF 527

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Tcraft POH

10-4 to all of the above.... This is my next topic on the next newsletter from the Foundation.....

[hangarb7]

Re: Tcraft POH

I have always used the AROW method, and operating limitations in the form of placards and airspeeds marked (such as colored bands) are acceptable.

I have the lousy recopied Service and Operation manuals but they are practically useless, particularly for the majority of the important information which is in small print and recopied to an extent that it is typically unreadable.

I have been working on my own POH for several years. When I get something particularly important, such as the suggested method for Armstrong starting, I make up a checklist and it becomes part of my psudo POH. A copy of the checklist goes in the door pocket, and I use it.

Don't want to become Armless.

I guess I could make up an electronic file to e-mail if anyone was interested.

Jack D
N44057
'46 BC12D

[mulwyk]

Re: Tcraft POH

Jack:

I'd sure like to see that. Can you post it here?

[hangarb7]

Re: Tcraft POH

Hi Bob,

Give me a couple of weeks to get it scanned and put together for consumption. I won't be at the airport for at least a week.

It's an in-progress sort of thing. When I get something interesting and useful, I add it. Helps to review it occasionally. Every time I do, I find something that I forgot about.

The bucket is pretty full anymore

Jack
N44057