Taylorcraft Accident

[Richard Boyer]

Re: Taylorcraft Accident

So what did part number P/N B12-947 look like?

I guess the wording of these AD's really makes things confusing. For instance:

"by requiring a definite and positive movement by the pilot before the control can be operated. Taylorcraft P/N B12-947-3 or equivalent is considered satisfactory."

That would seem to imply that if you put a guard in front of the fuel cut off knob you are in compliance (hence the Equivelant remark).

Are you saying that the guard needs to look like P/N B12-947-3 in order to be in compliance?

[crispy critter]

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by definition the B12-947-3 ( made out of a spring steel) is indeed two of the one pictured that makes sure you do not mistake the fuel shut off for the carb heat . I only mention this because right after the accident; IF any investigator knows what he is doing he will blame any missing AD compliance for the cause of the accident.
At the Fly-ins here and OSH or S-N-Fun WE have a lot of fun poking around the various airplanes and pointing out these things that may cost you a lot of money if not a life...

Forrest,
Do you have any of the fuel valve locks for sell such as the ones you have pictured?

[Forrest Barber]

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They are not a lock, nor a plate, IT is a spring steel clip that ORIGINALLY you had to sort of move aside or up to pull the fuel shut off, then at one point during the Feris era it was decided to put two of these thingeys in place to insure a positive movement had to be made to pull the shut-off outward.
From the parts & price list:
B12-947-3 (1) Clip Fuel Shut Off Control Complies with AD note.

The F-19's used two clips, listed as ONE part number B12-947-3
Honest Injun..... to my knowledge the B12-947 was one of those clips. Notice the AD does not apply to ships after Ser# 13001.
Sooooo it does not apply to 1A9 ships.
AHA , THEY were built with the B12-947-3 clip(s) already installed and they must remain installed to make the ship airworthy. Boy could the FAA ground a bunch of stuff IF they knew what to look for!

[Richard Boyer]

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I have a homemade clip that sticks up in front of the fuel shutoff valve. It does require quite a bit more force (usually both hands) than the carb heat. I really don't even look anymore as I can easily tell I have the wrong one because of the guard.

[alwaysoar]

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Looking at the part, I'm not sure why two except that it looks like two of those facing each other around the knob would hold it. That right? Forrest, do you have any of those?

[N96337]

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I have the single clip, and it's definately spring steel, as Forrest says. You have to move it with considerable force to get the valve shut off... I've pinched enough fingers in that...can't imagine needing two! That's pretty ambiguous on the AD's part, but that's the way they were written back then....
JH

[cpirrmann]

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I have the two clips on mine and it's almost impossible to pull off just with fingers. It's nice to have to keep problems from happening when you want to apply carb heat, but heaven help me if I need to shut off the fuel in a hurry.

[Forrest Barber]

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thanks for the responses , I don't make the rules,I just abide by them!
No I will not sell clips, too much risk if they do not have "traceability"
They usually surviive the crash , look around for parts folks.

[barnstmr]

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For my father-in-law (NC22207) we obtained an "Alternate Means of Compliance" because the fuel control was in a different location. In my opinion this is way safer even without a guard. See photo... shown in the OFF position. When you push the Tee handle Fwd to the ON position, the guard goes down over the handle, and must be moved up to pull the tee, turning the fuel off.

[Len Petterson]

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Emergency landings we try to make surviable anywhere,if it is in water, in the Black Spruce of Alaska, or among grape posts here in the wine country.
If I have to pick, I think I take the spruce forest over the 5' high steel posts 10' apart in rows 7' wide.
The post are likely to pentrate the floor and hurt My ari-dare on a landing among them. LoL
Some years ago a Monney landed among them, personal injuries where minmal but the aircraft was ripped to shreads!
No matter where we are, we take a risk flying and many other things we do also have risks.
Personaly I like to minimice the risks I take, no matter what I do.I do it with training, reading machine manuals when repairing machines. No matter what we do, good preparation is needed for safe work.
Flying a trap line in Alaska takes a spesial person with special skills.
it also have economical reward, and the aircraft is helping in earning a living.

For me what flyes for the fun and recreation, Some risks I may not want to take.
I hope to fly over the Black Spruce in Alaska one day, but what will be at as high an altitude as possible.
How knows? Maybe I drop in on one of this open spots along a trapline if I see T-craft on it.
If it is Cub, maybe?
Just for the fun of it.
Len

[Dusty]

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Flying a trap line in Alaska takes a spesial person with special skills.

Na, just someone dumb enough to WANT to go fly at -30.

Drop in anytime. I've even got an extra set of skis with Tcart rigging that you can use. Just don't get run over by a Navajo up there in the flight levels.