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  • Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

    A month or so ago I started a discussion thread about the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the pre-war trim tabs. I learned that just about everyone else had the same experiences as I had. Perhaps the little popsicle stick tabs worked OK with 40 horsepower at 75 mph.

    Because the trim tabs are held on with three screws, and because it is not messing with a primary control, and because I am frankly tired of not being able to trim my airplane at 90 miles an hour or more... I have been working on an improved set of trim tabs.

    No Taylorcrafts were damaged in the making of this fictional film.

    I decided to do it in steps, i. e. one side at a time for safety and sanity. So far, I have made one new tab, which has been slightly modified. The initial results are promising, but far from definitive.

    I used a popular model airplane flying wing airfoil ("Zagi wing"), because it is 'reflexed' to eliminate the pitching moment, but still able to provide lift. This was in hopes that the needed "nose down-tail up" trim force would occur with the tab as close to neutral as possible. The new tabs had to be sharply tapered, to put some more area forward of the pivot point for aerodynamic balance, yet not interfere with the lower tail brace wire. The tabs are about 1/3 larger in total area.

    Only the port side tab was replaced for initial flight testing. The original starboard tab was left in place for safety. No cutting, welding, drilling, or modifications were made to the original airframe. The tab was made using established R/C model wing technology that has been flown at well over 100 mph. Cores were hot-wired from blue foam, a solid Birch spar/pivot was machined and inset into the core. (Birch harder than AC Spruce for fastener crush loads) A Balsa wood leading edge was sanded to match the airfoil ocntour. 1/64" three-ply Birch aircraft plywood skins were epoxy laminated to the core and Birch spar. Balsa root and tip ribs were expoxied in place. The assembly was sanded smooth and covered with an iron-on fuel-proof fabric to match the aircraft's color. AN and MS hardware was used to attach the tab to the aircraft's pivot arm.

    First flights showed that I had over-estimated the need for aerodynamic balance. The tab would "over-center" either to the full nose up or nose down position at cruise speed. It was also evident that there was too much reflex in the airfoil, because the tab wanted to go nose up (airplane nose down) more than the other way. The trim lever had to be held in position by hand to keep the airplane level, but the good news is that the airplane could be held level in 100 mph cruise...the tab was making enough force to trim the airplane.

    An aluminum strip extension was attached to the trailing edge of the tab adding "damping" area aft of the pivot point, as well as reducing the effective reflex. This change was in the right direction... the trim tab was far less prone to flop one way or the other. But it still wasn't showing positive stability. Lying on my back at the secret flight test facility, I bent the extension to give it a little positive camber (tab nose down, airplane nose up), and the test flight back home showed that I was very close to having it right. I have to remove just a little bit of that adjustment and it should have the right combination of neutral stability (the tab not wanting to move off of the desired setting) and more trim authority.

    Even with one of the new tabs and one of the old tabs, the airplane will now hold a trim speed of 63 mph power off (was 70+ before), and hold level high speed cruise at 95+. When the other tab is finished and adjusted, I am GUESSING it will have enough trim authority to hold 55 mph on approach and probably a 110 mph descent power on. The benefit that I have seen already is that with the lifting aurface of even one tab the trim force is achieved with less drag than a 30 degree deflection of the original tab. I saw an unofficial, un-verified, non-proven 3 mph increase at the same RPM.

    Of course, this was an experiment which can be reversed with three screws. All flight testing was done by Air Force and/or CIA test pilots in Class H airspace, quite a distance above FL500 and short distance north-west of Las Vegas, Nevada where a 25,000 foot runway and a fully equipped flight test airbase facility does not actually exist. Rocket deployed ballistic recovery systems were available, as well as spiin chutes. Polished aluminum and neon orange colored F-104 chase aircraft were on station, as well as the latest in telemetry and hi-res ground based optical observaation. The flight was also monitored by XXXXCLASSIFIEDXXX satellite imagery. If and when this upgrade has been proven safe and effective, the CIA will transmit this information to the government of the People's Bureaucratic Republic of Oklahoma City for discussion.
    Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

    Bill Berle
    TF#693

    http://www.ezflaphandle.com
    http://www.grantstar.net
    N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
    N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
    N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
    N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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    Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

    Interesting!

    You're a real treasure, Bill. Keep it up.

    Bob
    Bob Gustafson
    NC43913
    TF#565

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    • #3
      Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

      Cool... I cuss that darn trim tab out about every time I aviate... Never enough 'friction' to keep it where you put it.... Frustrating at best..

      Tab gets some looks at the aerodrome however !! Good laughs

      I hope the engineering marvel is successful. Maybe the load limit behind the seat could be increased with the advent of the beneficial lifting properties of the top secret tab ?

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      • #4
        Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

        The plane I did my first solo in was a BL-65 that had the little trim tab. I had flown the plane a number of times before I discovered on my own that it was adjustable. I was doing something in the cockpit while preflighting and found this little lever on the front area of the pilot's seat. Being the curious type that I am I had to move it up and down a bit and tried to figure out what it was for. Eventually I noticed this little black thing under the rudder moving up and down. Apparently my instructor didn't feel this came under the "need to know" list of items. I figured out it was for trimming the plane and tried it in flight and sure enough, I think it made a difference...not quite sure.

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        • #5
          Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

          Nice. Pictures?
          Tim Hicks
          N96872

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          • #6
            Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

            Originally posted by TimHicks
            Nice. Pictures?
            OK, next time I go to the hangar I'll take some photos. But unfortunately they don't really look like they belong on a T-craft. They'd look more at home on a Sidewinder missile. I WANTED to make them look right for the airplane, but I had to shape them in a different way to get the result out of them. If the stabilizer brace wire weren't where it is, I'd have been able to just scale the stock ones up by 30 or 40 % and move the pivot point aft by a smidge and most T-craft owners wouldn't have been able to tell. But I needed some more area forward of the pivot point, which has been proven out in initial tests as mentioned. Photos and stuff will be posted, but this is NOT approved or even recommended until it is all sorted out. BTW if I did it over again I'd use the stock T-craft airfoil, which has a low pitching moment. The R/C Zagi wing is fine nd I'll keep it, but I had to un-do some of the reflex.
            Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

            Bill Berle
            TF#693

            http://www.ezflaphandle.com
            http://www.grantstar.net
            N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
            N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
            N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
            N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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            • #7
              Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

              Bill,
              Interesting research.
              Did you happen to see the RC Flying Lawn Mower in the April / May issue of Air And Space?
              Jim

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              • #8
                Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                No, I haven't. However I think I have seen earlier versions of this model in years past, featured in the R/C model magazines. there's been a flying lawnmower, a flying stop sign, a flying Snoopy dogouse, etc.
                Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                Bill Berle
                TF#693

                http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                http://www.grantstar.net
                N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                • #9
                  Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                  Go to youtube.com and watch it fly. They were flying a witch on a broom stick the other day. use the search function or you may see more than you want to.
                  20442
                  1939 BL/C

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                    Ahh yes, the trim "wings". Love the way they look, but I grew a third arm on my first long X/C just trying to hold altitude at cruise speed...
                    Mike
                    NC29624
                    1940 BC65

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                      Great move Bill. I got all the way up to the CIA test pilot part before I figured out that you were pulling our legs.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                        Well, I did throw in some humor for liability reasons, but don't be so sure about the REST of what I wrote. Photos will be posted of the setup and you can decide for yourself whether I'm foolin' or not
                        Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                        Bill Berle
                        TF#693

                        http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                        http://www.grantstar.net
                        N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                        N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                        N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                        N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                          Here is a sketch or two of what I built. Photos to come this evening hopefully.
                          Attached Files
                          Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                          Bill Berle
                          TF#693

                          http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                          http://www.grantstar.net
                          N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                          N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                          N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                          N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                            Bill I was just ready to send a check (literally envelope in front of me)to another true gentleman on this site who has had the patience of Jobe waiting fo me to send it. Frankly am not crazy about doing so due to the fact that the newer "improved" BC12 & D models system is more complicated, heavier and seems problematic based on the posts I have seen. Also I like the fact that the 1940 and below models system is independent of the elevator ...(just another nice to have) Sooo when you finish your experiment ( s) would you please provide me with the following.. Overall dimmension (front to back and side to side) Distance from pivit tube to leading edge Distance from pivit tube to trailing edge. I will take these and modify them using the orginal shape if at all possible other wise I just stick with your "proven ideas" to go on my experimental for which I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY. (Jss sure do miss that statement in todays world)

                            Jim

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pre-war Trim Tab Upgrade Report

                              Jim, my results will be posted for all to see. What was it that you were going to send a check to buy? Is there another set of replacemenht pre-war trim tabs out there for sale? Has someone else gone thru the same ting I am, and has an STC?

                              I wish I had the dimensions in front of me... yesterday I went to the hangar with my digital camera... and forgot the memory chip. I will go back today and take photos, and put them on this thread. Measurements as well.

                              However, you might want to wait until mine is done so I can report the successes and failures... so nobody else has to make the same mistakes as me.

                              It is truly my intention to figure this all out and possibly go to OK City with it for a 337 or something. I just don't know what hoops they will put me through to get it OK'd or if they will even listen to me. FORTUNATELY, it's not a primary control.

                              So far, it is promising and shows that the general idea works. That's probably only half the battle. Because the original system seems to have been designed without a friction lock, new tabs will have to be aerodynamically balanced very close to neutral. That might be easy with a symmetrical airfoil, but I knew I wanted lift at zero AOA because I needed nose-down trim at cruise speed.
                              Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                              Bill Berle
                              TF#693

                              http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                              http://www.grantstar.net
                              N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                              N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                              N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                              N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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