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    Hey guys, I'm new to this group, got a couple of questions for you Taylorcraft experts out there.

    First of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Chris, I'm 21, and live in Nikiski Alaska. My whole family is pretty big into aviation and my grandpa taught me to fly when I was 15 in his Cessna 170B. My grandparents have been been generous enough to let me keep it, take care of it, and fly it as much as I can ever since I got my license while in the meantime they play snowbirds down in Arizona with their D17S and Cessna 180 during the winter.

    The 170 is a blast to fly, I love that plane almost more than anything, and I've put about 600 hours on it, but in the past few years, after seeing so much incredible scenery from the 170 and and reading old books about Bob Reeve, the Wien brothers, Don Sheldon, and the like, I've been itching to feel the real Alaska, rather than just gaze over it and dream. Friends with cubs and 180s have given me sample tastes, and I occasionally get a little more satisfaction with spring caribou hunts in the 170, but other than that I pretty much have to stick to airstrips that are printed on the charts. Not because I can't do any off airport stuff in the 170, but mainly because if I break something, it's not my airplane, and I couldn't afford to fix it if I broke it. I just really wanted something I could do some basic off airport work in, and at a budget. This is where my T-craft comes in.

    Last Fall, I had the opportunity to fly CraigH's old F21B from Texas to its new owner here in Soldotna, AK. I got so many warnings from people about Taylorcrafts before I left AK to pick it up, ranging from how uncomfortable they are to sit in, to how they'll "float a mile down the runway" to how lousy sideways visibility is. But I took all of that with a grain of salt and waited until I could see for myself how it really was. I admit, the first few hours were a bit interesting, learning to raise a wing to look left and right and reaching a leg across to the other side of the cockpit for the longer legs of the trip, but after a while I realized that the warnings weren't nearly as big a deal as I expected. And as far as the "It'll float a mile down the runway"?? I don't think I had to slip it more than once the whole trip up, what's the big deal? I really enjoyed the plane and missed not flying it more last winter.

    This summer's fishing season was pretty good, so after a few weeks of careful shopping on barnstormers and TAP, I found just what I wanted, a '46 BC12D with only 1300 hours total time on a grass strip just outside of Spokane WA. I flew down there and brought it back home. So I finally have something I can really "stretch my legs in"!

    I plan on keeping it as near stock as I can. It weighs about 780lbs now and I think it flys pretty well on 65 horses. All I'm planning so far is to put 8.50's on it, get the heavy duty steering springs on the tailwheel. There are other little comfort items that are coming first though.

    First of all, the sliding windows are all scratched up, so they're almost number 1 on my fixer-upper list. I fly with them wide open all the time just so I can see better. That's going to be tough when it gets any colder. I wanted to ask you guys if there's a way of installing new ones in a way so they won't get so scratched up in a hurry again.

    Also, I have access to some Federal 1500's, but they have the narrow bottoms and I'm curious to as how well they'll do for me. What kind of snow am I limited to with those and only 65 horses? Would it be worth finding some with wider bottoms? Again I'm not wanting to do any serious bush flying or anything, but I just want to be able to land on frozen lakes and that kind of thing.

    Lastly, are there many Alaskan Taylorcraft drivers in this group?


    Thanks guys, I'd appreciate any info


    Chris
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    Chris Palm
    1946 BC12-D

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    Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

    Welcome Cris
    Sliding windows does get marked no matter whay you do. Felt in the guide
    Felt on the joint but you always have dust and grit in it. With time it will scratch it any way. New solid window and install a rotary went. What is what most planes have and cut out a lover window in the door. It helps when taxing in strange places. One has a better chance to see runway ligths and mud puddles through them. How come I say what? Never hit any thing yet, but been close. I did get stuck once becuase I din't see what was on the rigth side.
    KZU has vents on the bottom of the cockpit in form of a 1.5" hole with mech in and 2 triangels for airscops. Works great in the summer but needs to be plugged in the winter.
    Good, now I have one more Taylorcraft to visit in Alaska.
    Len Petterson
    Ps Nice VFR on top, it is good see them rocks, them are hard, but how did you get down trough agin? It looks very solid in the picture.
    I loved airplane seens I was a kid.
    The T- craft # 1 aircraft for me.
    Foundation Member # 712

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    • #3
      Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

      Len,
      That's snow Chris is flying over in the third picture not overcast
      Kevin Mays
      West Liberty,Ky

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      • #4
        Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

        Hi Chris,

        Nice looking bird you've got there! I don't have any BC12D time so no advice other than what you already have learned from flying the F21B. By the way, how is N8ZU doing?

        You've sure got some beautiful scenery up there. I'd sure love to get up that way sometime.

        Enjoy!
        Craig Helm
        Prior owner N8ZU '90 F21B
        KRPH

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        • #5
          Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

          Chris give me a call sometime, I am down in the Seattle area and can answer most of your questions, or point you in the direction of someone who can. Best thing for that plane is a flat pitch climb prop and some 8.50's. I have the A65 in my plane and fly with a lot of supercub guys. Keeps up and goes just about anywhere they do. I have no problem operating out of 300' on the local gravel bars. Tires seem to be the major limiting factor 5" rocks are just a bit to big for the 8.50's. A set of 26" BW sure would be nice.

          Jason
          N43643

          Jason

          Former BC12D & F19 owner
          TF#689
          TOC

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          • #6
            Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

            Chris, I live about 4 air-minutes from Nikiski. Have had my Taylorcraft BC12D since 1975. Started with an A65 and now run a C85. Wheels, floats and skis. There are several Alaskans on this forum, who I'm sure, will help you in any way possible. If your Granddad is Eric B., he helped me by letting me do some spins in his Aerobat! Feel free to give me a jingle...776-8906. I'm tied down at Arness Strip. Dick Smith
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            Dick Smith N5207M TF#159

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            • #7
              Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

              Welcome, Chris.

              Crispy is right, your photo shows snow. This is overcast! (almost "undercast"!)

              To fix your window problem, you need a strip of felt (or similar) between the two panes to separate the two. As a matter of interest, does your rear window slide forward in the same way that the forward on slides back?

              Rob

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              • #8
                Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                I have swing-out windows instead of sliders. They open wide enough to throw things out - a serious issue with some tcarts I've seen.

                The skinny skis are useless. It's possible to drill all the rivets out and put 12" bottoms on. An inch of ptex hanging over makes them 14", which works pretty well in most snow. Not sure how the 65 will do on skis - pretty decent if you keep it VERY light, I'd imagine.

                I hauled a moose out with my 100HP T-cart last week. It ain't a cub - or a Champ, for that matter - when you put a little weight in.

                8.50s are pretty small if you're operating in anything soft, or big rocks. I've had 8.50s on the Tcart and the Champ, and currently have 26" Goodyears on one and 24" tubeless tundra tires on the other - they're both a huge step over the 8.50s, although the Goodyears are heavy.

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                • #9
                  Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                  Hey guys,

                  Thanks for the tips! Dick, I'd love to do some flying with you sometime if you're interested. I had a friend with another 170 last year and it was a kick doing everything as a flight of two. Adds a little safety too.

                  Craig, 8ZU is in good shape. Jim keeps it in the Fish and Game hangar at Soldotna. So far he's put in all new glass, put on some 26'' Goodyears, and had to recover the belly. For some reason a split developed on the center stringer running down the belly on the flight up. He's really enjoying it.

                  A friend of mine found some Federal 1500's with the wide bottoms for $700 in "good shape." Does this sound like a good deal?

                  Thanks,

                  Chris
                  Chris Palm
                  1946 BC12-D

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                  • #10
                    Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                    Chris, that sounds pretty much in the ballpark for the skiis, if they are not junk. Do they come with adapters? If so, for what aircraft? I've got a pair of adapters for the tapered axle, that is standard on the Taylorcraft. You can use them as patterns to make your own. They are loaned out right now, but could probably be used before snowfall to take measurements or trial fit with the skiis you are looking at.
                    We have had a few informal Taylorcraft get-to-gethers over the last 2 winters and I have a hunch you will fit right in. Ski flying is a kick...don't wait too long to round up a set! Dick
                    Dick Smith N5207M TF#159

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                    • #11
                      Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                      Chris,
                      I'd really like to see a pic of 8ZU on Goodyears. If you ever have the opportunity, snap a pic and email me a copy. I'll be she really likes it up in Alaska.
                      Craig Helm
                      Prior owner N8ZU '90 F21B
                      KRPH

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                      • #12
                        Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                        Tribal welcomes; These guys will get you geared up,for all occasions. I'm new myself and they've made me feel quite welcome,as well as technically informed." Keep the dirty side down", Brad

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                        • #13
                          Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                          Hello Chris, Glad to hear you got a T-Craft, I live on the other side of the mountains in McGrath and have a F19 100HP. If you ever want to see this side of the hills, fly on over.

                          Barney Anselment 524-3198,

                          Later.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                            Hey,

                            Don't worry about those skinny federals...all you have to do is get some UHMW plastic sheets and cut the outline of your ski out with a jig saw...but make em' overlap so they are at least 10" wide. All you do then is remove the old aluminum skeg (runner) and screw the new plastic bottoms to the existing aluminum bottoms...be sure to countersink the holes in the plastic. Then make a new skeg out of the plastic and screw it to the bottom of the ski. I've been using mine for 12+ years and I love them. We typically get over 200" of snow where I live in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan so a T-cart drivers' got to fly skis...I think it's mandatory.
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                            • #15
                              Re: New T-craft owner, couple questions

                              Thanks for the tips guys! I think I will have to try that with the skinny Federals. More gas money that way! It would be great fun meeting up with some of you guys later on this winter. Things are pretty busy right now.

                              Grins,

                              Chris
                              Chris Palm
                              1946 BC12-D

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