Gas prices? (MERGED)

[mhorowit]

If Auto Gas goes to $3.00, what will AvGas go to? - Mike

[crispy critter]

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Hell in a hand-basket!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vasey fan]

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It was already over $4 in Albuquerque when I went to Oshkosh.

I think I'll be burning a lot more Mogas. (Not that it's that much less painful)

[M Towsley]

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Mogas here in Springfield, IL went to $2.99 this morning and just went to $3.19. The stations are being limited to two loads a day therefore gas may go up another .50 cents a gallon soon to slow down consumption. Even if oil is released from the reserves, there is the problem of literally getting it to the refineries, (those that remain, anyway), and processed. There are already spot outages on clear diesel, which may occur with plain mogas. It may get ugly so be prepared. BTW I have really good sources, unfortunately. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

[Frank DeBartolo]

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With my limited funds, the little A65 Continential is the only way I can afford to fly. The 4GPH is great. Taylorcraft flying takes a little of the sting out of the cost of flying.

FD
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[Dick Smith]

Re: Alaska Bush price

Paid $5.25 per gal. of 100LL. at Port Alsworth last week. The DeHaviland Beavers burning 25 gph on floats are certainly getting a funny look on their faces when they sign the ticket! Dick

[crispy critter]

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I think we are starting to see what some might call "PRICE GOUGING".Prices are already going through the roof but it takes at least 3-5 months for makers to even start feeling the effects of the so called shortage.What I'm trying to say is that $66-70 dollar barrell of oil won't even be here for at least 3 months at the earliest.

[Chet Peek]

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Quitcherbitchin. A friend took me for a ride in his Citabria in England this spring and paid $10.00 a gallon for the gas. Car gas was $7.00. The cost of insurance on my car is twice what I spend in a year on fuel. Just close your eyes, fill it up and have fun.
Chet Peek

[Robert Lees]

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"Hear hear", Chet.

My sympathies go to the Dutch...they pay 2.70 Euros per liter for avgas...a quick conversion to USD per US Gallon = $11 per US gallon

[WLT]

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Dutch-as in Shell?

[Frank DeBartolo]

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Let's not quit bitchin too much or else they (whoever it is that sets the gas prices) will see that we are accepting of the higher prices and will up the ante on us even more. A little bitchin is good.

FD
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[matsuthunder200]

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Im shure glad i have a t-craft. After guideing all summer and watching my boss sign the fuel truck bills.. The turbin otter burns 50 to 60 gph and the reg otter burns about 40gph they both flew about 8 hrs a day seven days a week. I think we are very lucky to be burning 4 to 6 gallons a hour........

[M Towsley]

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As predicted our gas has now gone to $3.29 with some at $3.49/gal. this morning. Another problem is the majors are not going to supply the independents therefore they will go higher to limit buying, or go out of business. Kind of hard on the mom and pop outfits. EPA has given the ok to use higher sulphur content so they can still produce and now EPA has approved the use of dyed diesel (Non taxable off road use only) for road use but the IRS still has to approve it. I'm sure there is more to come. Also you have to understand that fuel companies buy in advance what they think they are going to use the next month. If they under buy, they will have to buy at a higher price from someone who still has gas left in the pipe, truck, etc. Right now what you are seeing, besides some gouging, is the reaction to the refineries being shut down/damaged in the South. Not necessarily the oil being pumped, but it is still a speculative market that can and will drive prices.

[hangarb7]

Re: B-17 Kwitcherbichin

I may not have it spelled correctly, but there really was a WWII B-17 called Kwitcherbichin !

Seriously, the comment is about the pricier oil not being in the pipeline yet is not quite accurate. Oil AND gasoline are two different products in the marketplace, and particularly gasoline for us, is a commodity market. Which means that it is a free market item that rises and falls with supply and demand. Demand driven price increases always forecast (not accurately) the perceived actual demand.

At the service station level, there are few service stations that are independently owned today. That means that prices changes are corporate or at least regional decisions.

Did you notice that just about every station raised their prices at the same time or within hours of each other. Aha! one would say...collusion between the gas companies.

While it is true that every good businessman wants to make more the moment he has the chance, I can tell you from experience that there is always the guy that breaks away and charges less for a short time to get more customers. So why doesn't it happen in the service station business?

The station owners do not make the majority of their money in gasoline sales. They make their money on the coffee, cigarettes, chips, and even air for your tires! The gas is there to get you to stop at their station. If one station lowered their prices (or kept them at $2.55 per gallon as it was last week), they would have long lines of people who only wanted gas, spending very little inside, then when out of gas waiting for the next truck, would have no one stopping in to buy chips.

The best way is to drive less, combine trips, drive smarter (less jack-rabbit starts), smaller vehicles when possible (if you need a truck, you need a truck), and just general good practices.

Don't save the whales! Save the gas and turn it into airplane noise!!! HA

Jack Dernorsek
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[M Towsley]

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I have to respond to this last comment. The station owners would like to make you think they aren't making money on their gas, wrong, wrong, wrong. They are, and quite a bit. The standard story of "I have to sell Twinkies to make a living" is b***sh**. All of the majors talk to each other and buy fuel from each other in the pipe as well as in the truck. Many play golf together, for what that's worth. (Collusion is such a harsh word) but how many other businesses work with each other as much as the fuel companies??? As stated before, I obtain this information from a very accurate and reliable source. And yes, I just received a postcard from a friend in France who just paid over $5.00/gal in Germany. My sympathy to Robert Lees and friends overseas!