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  • #16
    Re: Rudder cable extentions

    Ken and guys,

    The case of the turnbuckle may be very simple, which I am sure it is. I am sure if you check the parts manual you will find a turnbuckle by part number with out a dash number and that is fine. The second dash number is the length and if it isn’t called out you can use any length to obtain the proper rigging.

    Here is where the problem comes in not to pick on anyone, but to share experiences. An aircraft comes in for an annual inspection I check the flight control cables and find a turnbuckle or bolt that I haven’t seen before. I check the IPM and find a part number and look it up. The IPM does not match the part installed in the aircraft. Now I have to make a discussion.

    I write the part up as a discrepancy because I don’t know what type of part it is. This happens with bolts all the time. I will find the local hardware grade 8 bolt installed instead of an AN-4. The bolt fits the hole, but does not meet the IPM or drawing by part number. The aircraft is unairworthy because the aircraft does not meet its type design. This is where FAR 21.31 and 21.303 comes in to play.

    As an A&P/IA I cannot sign off an inspection and say the aircraft is airworthy if I cannot identify the parts installed as being the proper ones. To be airworthy the aircraft has to meet its type design and be in a condition of safe operation. Type design is making sure all the parts are PMA, OEM, TSO, owner produced according to technical data approved by the manufacture and so no. All parts should be traceable to a source (it all most impossible to trace hardware). All hardware has a stamp on the head such as AN, MS, SPS and so no other parts are stamped TSO and PMA. This becomes very important to me as I am signing off and aircraft saying it is airworthy (meets it type design and safe condition for flight) putting my lively hood on the line each time.

    Aviation has always been a very honest place to work. However over the years some not all owner install stuff that is not quite right and if something goes wrong the first person to blame is the IA. This has made many of us IA’s very careful about who’s aircraft we work on.

    For myself I like having the owner involved in the annual inspection. This way I can show the owner what to check thru out the year. I still do the inspection, but the owner can perform some of the work under my supervision. I am having a hard time paying for liability insurance I am now required to protect myself with just incase something should happen. I long for the old days before all the bogus hardware and fake parts started showing up. I have been bit by bogus parts (hardware) that failed. I guess what I am trying to say is know your source and the people you work with.

    From what I have read you guys are straight up. Thanks for putting up with me.

    Stache

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    • #17
      Re: Rudder cable extentions

      Sabrina, I got to this thread way after the fact but I have one question/statement. If the peddles were not in the correct place in the first place wern't you just putting the aircraft back to factory specs? Right? I am new to this but it seemed like much ado about nothing!
      Larry
      "I'm from the FAA and we're not happy, until your not happy."

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      • #18
        Re: Rudder cable extentions

        The question has got to be asked.
        why did you not just fix the problem with new or GOOD used correct aircraft hardware and not get anyone else involved in the paper work mix. Im not talking the tribe here when i say anyone as thats why we are here to help. Im saying why involve A&Ps when your fixing a problem that they never saw in the first place ? It looks to me that u have the knowledge to handle the task .
        Im probably not the only one wondering just the one putting his head on the block. What the hell i have two of them anyway and don't use either. Just ask anyone!
        Last edited by stormman; 03-02-2007, 21:39.
        B 52 Norm
        1946 BC12-D1 Nc 44496
        Quicksilver AMPIB, N4NH
        AOPA 11996 EAA 32643
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        Lake Thunderbird , Cherokee Village
        Somewhere on the 38° parallel in NE Arkansas

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        • #19
          Re: Rudder cable extentions

          Tribe,
          I thought that this thread died a long time ago. I flew with the longer barrels till the new, proper length cables arrived. I then put them in, my friend the IA inspected the work, and I just flew the plane.
          What we did is that we just put the plane back to where it was from the factory.
          I had to put something in the log, because the owner I bought the plane from, had the fact the cables were shortened in the logbook. Sabrina

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          • #20
            Re: Rudder cable extentions

            I have had a lot of this on the 41. At Annual the IA usually says "Oh Lord, what have you changed THIS time!", to which my answer is always "I only put it back the way it was when Taylorcraft built it! Did you really think the factory built it with a slab of 1/2" plywood for an instrument panel?" I then provide him with the pictures and drawings showing that the way it was is NOT is the right way and he has been signing it off in the wrong configuration till I found out it was wrong and "fixed" it.
            Actually he trusts me (like I trust him, with my life) and knows I come to him first to show him what I found was hosed up and how I plan to fix it. Good A&Ps and IAs are hard to find and he lets me do the work (under his "supervision"). He knows the guys in this group know more about these planes than he ever could and every year the plane gets safer (and more original). If it's in the log that someone made it "wrong" you need to put it in the log you fixed it. If the modification was never put in the log we don't log it when we take the $#&%^@&(^! IDIOT modification back out. Some time just look up the tale of the extra pounds of unused wire in the tail of the 41 I pulled out several years ago or how a past owner had HOT WIRED some of it past the fuses into the battery so you couldn't see it. When I unhooked the "+" connector from the battery to pull the wires, some of them were still hot! Like the one that hit the side of the fuel tank with a HUGE flash. Now I don't just disconnect the battery, I take it OUT of the plane. No wonder I have gray hair!
            Hank

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            • #21
              Re: Rudder cable extentions

              Originally posted by taylorcraftbc65 View Post
              Hey guys,
              The tops of the rudder pedels on Manu Sina if viewed from the side are 10 to 15 degrees to the rear of vertical. I would like to bring them to vertical. The turnbuckles will not be able to give me the extention that I desire, and I'm wondering if anyone has solved this problem by installing extentions between the rudder ends of the cables, and the clevises of the pedels.
              The pedels are set this way because the man who restored the plane just before he died was over a foot shorter than I am.
              Photos would be GREAT. Thanks guys, by the way, when is Alliance this year? I would like to try and fly in.
              Has someone removed the two steel plates that connect the turnbuckle to the rudder belcrank?

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              • #22
                Re: Rudder cable extentions

                Piggybacking ideas on drude's comment....

                If longer turnbuckes are not sufficient, lengthen the steel connector plates about a half inch. No compromise in safety there and no extraneous parts to explain on a 337.
                Best Regards,
                Mark Julicher

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