Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

[M Towsley]

Just ran across this, though not sure what a 12BDC is, lol.

http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=1093880

When you select the VISIT MY WEBSITE it goes to the defunct Taylorcraft.com website. Makes you wonder how much the guy knows about Taylorcraft.......

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?nNumberTxt=N170TX

Run N170TX here: http://aviationdb.net/aviationdb/AircraftQuery#SUBMIT

See: http://www.taylorcraft.com

Gary

[M Towsley]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Ok, Gary, you highlighted my post for some reason. The point, I think, I am missing. Besides it is Experimental is there something else?

I would worry about owning this not knowing the complete scary history of the Taylorcraft factory in Texas.

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Ok, Gary, you highlighted my post for some reason. The point, I think, I am missing. Besides it is Experimental is there something else?

I would worry about owning this not knowing the complete scary history of the Taylorcraft factory in Texas.

Missing? Just curious if someone here who might have followed the plane's history might be able to offer a story about its origin. Unless informed otherwise I'll assume it's a leftover parts-bin aircraft that was issued some sort of amateur/experimental A/W Certificate. If the prior TCDS holders and Factory required FAA inspection of each production aircraft, then maybe the new owners were trying to dupe that process but failed to meet the necessary requirements. As I said, just curious...it's value?...experimentals have their own set of rules and liability for the builder and subsequent owners.

Gary

[M Towsley]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

That aircraft was 'built' by the Taylorcraft Factory back in 2007 as its new LSA for demonstration. It is the only one they built, to my knowledge. If you are bored, and have the time, look over some of the factory threads. Many were locked as comments were getting somewhat out-of-hand due to the owner at the time, Harry Ingram, taking advantage of Taylorcraft owners. Ingram cost all of us in the form of the strut AD. He is not well-liked by those who know him, or even know of him.

I forgot you are somewhat new to the forum and a lot of that information has been relegated to bad memory for most of us. His greed set-back Taylorcraft progress to the point where we are now, which is nowhere.

BTW, you may not know this but you do not need to highlight every comment made. It saves space and helps the flow of reading the threads, especially since you and I are the only ones at this moment commenting on this. Highlighting works well if you just want to address a part of a comment, etc. Just well-meaning, humble constructive advice. Thanks.

[M Towsley]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Gary,

There is so much info on the former factory that it would take hours and hours to pick out all of the comments about it, as some comments are in threads you wouldn't think had anything to do with the factory.

Though not about the plane itself, here is just a very small part of the comments about the factory. Many people were hurt by the debacle that was Taylorcraft.

http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread.php?5495-Taylorcraft-Factory-Update-(May-2008)&highlight=taylorcraft+light+sport

A small article I found, since it is 10 degrees outside and I am bored:

T-Restore.biz LLC
www.TCraftSalesCentral.com, 22 Oct 2006 [cached]
On November 4th, Jim Zangger, our Central Sales Rep, flew N170TX for the first time.The flight went very well and Jim says she flies beautifully!
TXAA - Texas Aviation Association > Articles > TaylorCraft Debuts New Sport Aircraft
www.txaa.org, 15 Nov 2005 [cached]
All flight testing was conducted at the company headquarters and manufacturing facility at the Brownsville International Airport by Taylorcraft Test Pilot Jim Zangger of Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Thanks Marty for the info. I've followed this Forum for years but had no need to comment as a previous but then non-owner. Back when the TF was active I was a member but it lapsed and I never bothered to renew. I bought parts from the Feris' when I owned my last '41 T 40 years ago and did follow their production until it ended. I also communicated with Forrest with questions about my former Taylorcraft, and he graciously replied via mail when that was the mode.

And yes I'm familiar with the current TCDS' trail of blood, but was not aware of the history of N170TX and now thank you for the info. I'll read more from your links. Had you noted that history in your OP I wouldn't have bothered to reply.

The reason you initially showed in quotes is that it saved me time logging on...I'll be careful to limit that method in the future and thanks for the constructive advice. Not everybody has a history here and it does take some time to research topics, grasp the trends, and follow the current intent of the Forum. I follow and contribute to many Forums and Blogs that reflect my interests. Some are technical in nature, others are social, and the rest mimic a group conversation among members with diverse interests and backgrounds.

Gary

[M Towsley]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

I was unaware of the comments without logging on, I rather sit with something with a larger screen in front of me than my smart phone, lol.

Sorry, I thought the first line in the Barnstormers link indicating it was the factory test and demo aircraft described it aptly. Interesting the Experimental-part wasn't described in the ad.

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

I'm sometimes lazy so clicking on Reply With Quote logs me in automatically on my I-Mac. Will edit the quote portion unless needed in the future, and that was careless of me.

Now this is confusing: ..."This factory built aircraft based on 1946 Taylorcraft 12BDC plans was FAA tested and inspected, approved for new type certification in 07"... What does "approved for new type certification" mean and where is the documentation available other than below? All I see is this from FAA's source. There may be other sources someone could link:

Airworthiness:
Engine Manufacturer: AMA/EXPR
Engine Model: UNKNOWN ENG
Classification: Special Flight Permit
Category: Prod Flight Testing
A/W Date 01/09/2006

I'd have to access the aircraft's records in order to see what's on file with the FAA. A prospective purchaser may wish to do so, and I hope any future sale goes well for all concerned.

Did a search here for N170TX. It would be interesting to see what the FAA records show. Thanks Marty for the search suggestion.

http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread.php?3230-First-Taylor-Sport&highlight=N170TX

See Post #19 on: http://vb.taylorcraft.org/showthread...ghlight=N170TX

Gary

[Mark Julicher]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Jim Z ands Mike Rice participated and worked hard on this plane. Mike told me personally that it is a good plane, but apparently what sank the operation was trying to move the PMA from LaGrange to Brownsville. No Bueno.

[Nefj40]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

It looks like a really nice, good performing airplane. I'd want to do a bunch of research on that Classification and Category.

[Garry Crookham]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

A look at the FAA website shows the airplane is in the experimental-production flight test category.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=170TX

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

It's surely a very nice Taylorcraft despite any potentially confusing paperwork. There's nothing wrong with amateur/experimental aircraft, which I suspect this really isn't compared with most. Greg Clayton (the skylight guy) has his equipped with extendable leading edge slats, flaps, NO2 for power, wheel skis, and probably some other performance enhancements. I parked next to him and he's quite the ingenious inventor.

Gary

[M Towsley]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

It is all well and good until you try to sell it to someone else.

[PA1195]

Re: Original 2007 Factory T-Craft For Sale Barnstormers

Yes it can get complicated: http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-c...uying-articles

The best advice I can offer is to expect to fly and enjoy the homebuilt and not expect to sell. There's other ways to waste or loose your time and money for the benefit of others.

Gary