Brake Pedals

[selje]

On my BC12-D, there was a material on the brake pedals that I first thought was red mud but when removing it - material appeared to be old cured adhesive.

Question: Did brake pedal originally have a glued on rubber pad or have they always been bare metal?

[Big Daddy]

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Jerry don't take this to the bank,but in the last 45 years i've never seen one with rubber pads. Luscombe did.
Big Daddy

[Forrest Barber]

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That was like a wing walk material sort of heavy grit applied to the pedals to keep from slipping off. I have been using a coarse 60 grit sandpaper with epoxy recently. Hmmmmm another thing to look up in the drawings. We get a lot of folks wanting to go to toe brakes.... Never understood that logic, heavier , cumbersome, big feet can get caught under the H column. YOU do not need brakes to fly......

[mhorowit]

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No, but stopping on asphalt is a pain. And that cinderblock and rope trick you told me about isn't going down well with the airport manager! - Mike

[yerich109]

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I ran without real brakes for almost a year. Within two weeks, and two flights, I realized maybe I did need them after all.

First incident involved letting a friend land my plane on a short strip with tall trees at the other end. Short of it was I let him float too far to make a go round. Luckily, there was just enough brake to get us stopped. Man, I was really standing on those little nubs...

Very next weekend, after a fun afternoon flying, I was slowly taxiing back to the ramp when I noticed one of the airport ladies entering the ramp area in her SUV. Surely she would look to her left before getting on the active part of the ramp area....NOT. SHE pulled out onto the ramp and stopped dead in front of me about 10'. That's when I wished CG had put a HORN on the BC12-D. I went ahead and shut down the engine so the prop wouldn't be spinning when I rolled into her driver's side door. Luckily, when I was about 2 feet from her door, having never looked in my direction, she decided to pull up to the hangar on her right. SHE NEVER HAD A CLUE I WAS THERE!

I installed new Shinns the next weekend, and I really appreciate brakes now!


Blue Skies,

[Don Eide]

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I always thought "more" was better.
More room in the hanger.
More altitude over the antennas.
More gas in the tank.
More beer in the frig.
More brakes than I need.
If more is not better, how come the later model T-crafts have Cleveland wheels and toe brakes?
Didn't I read here a while ago that the new T-craft co. was working on this?
Hope so. I want Clevelands and toe brakes.
You ask why? Maybe its because back in the 50's, student pilot days, flying my T-craft, I had to groundloop it three times to keep it in the field (only went to airports to by gas). Got away with it each time. What brakes?Now I want brakes. Enough said.
Don

[Forrest Barber]

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okey dokey with me.... I still have the advantage of sod runways , tail skids , AND I do know how to maintain the Shinn Wheels & brakes.
Why did we go to Cleveland mechanical on the F-19 , WE could not get Shinn, Why did we go to toe brakes, a few folks wanted them on the F-21 PLUS the FAA insisted that we be able to do a full run up to static. I think they suck with the slaved instructor side being very soft & weak...WE even had to go to the dual pucks with the larger tires to do the certification static run up with the 9:00 tires, what a joke the 180 HP ship skidded me across the runway on a damp concrete test area.....
more is better except for Empty Weight , right?

[taylorcraftbc65]

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To say NOTHING of the ability of the brakes to flip the plane over on it's back in a pannic stop.

[Don Eide]

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I want that ability. But I doubt they are that good. If you have big #15's AND you are klutz maybe. I know of a PA11, I know, wrong brand, that has double puck clevelands, and you couldn't put it on its nose if you wanted to.
If Clevelands are going to put you on your back, then we would have a lot of airplanes on there back. Like Cessna 120,140, 170, 180, 185, 190, 195, Citabrias, Super Cubs,Taylorcrafts, DC-3s, and many many others.
Give me brakes.
Don

[crispy critter]

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Don,
Have you flown many C-120's,140's,stinsons,or 180hp supercubs with really good brakes(clevelands).Or maybe a taylorcraft with good toe brakes,metal prop,and 24gals of gas.They WILL stand up very easily if much brake is used.A DC-3 will also go over pretty easy if it has an empty cargo hole.

[Jim Herpst]

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Shinn wheels and brakes are the best DAMN thing going (ok besides I am biased.. I grew up flying into Butler Pa airport not far from the farm in Mars Pa where we kept it.. with my Dad in his T craft). Why any one would screw up a Tcraft with anything else is beyond me . Examine the facts, Listen to the folks (like Forrest) in the know. You cant help but come to the conclusion that the Shinns do the job in the best manner.

[David Price]

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I, also was not pleased with the preformance of my brakes, untill replacing the linnings , cleaning the shoes and adjust . Now, I would not have it any other way. Over 140 hrs since change at last annual and still working fine at full throttle as of this day.
Shinn is AOK!

"LOVE AIR"

[Marv]

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There is nothing wrong with Shinn brakes if the pedals were installed so you could use them when you had your feet on the rudder pedals like a champ evenon the side of the rudder pedal. Regards Marv

[Robert Lees]

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Jerry, I use self-adhesive "wing walk" tape...like gritty emery paper, it lasts longer than wing walk paint. Mine is a 3M product, but double-sided tape on 40 grit wet-and-dry would also work.

[Richard Boyer]

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My brake "nubs" had little sandpaper pads on them about 3 years ago. They came off, and I never really needed to change them.

On wet grass, I have slid by taxiways with my wheels locked up, and have not problem on pavement stopping. Also, I can apply the brakes (on grass) and go to full power with a C-85!! Kinda cool lifting the tail up while standing still!!! I only wish I could let off the brakes and keep the tail up..... ha!

Richard Boyer
N95791
Georgetown, TX