Going to Factory

[Yellow Duck]

Finally was able to speak with Harry. Informed me that they had started on my aircraft and that the airframe would be completed this week.

Leaving in the morning ( Monday Dec. 6, 2004)

Anyone need any info ? I will try an get it for you. I will carry my lap top with me and also my Cell. Number is 1-337-658-0997 should anyone need something while I am there.

[Victor Gisclair]

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I need to know what the Max cross wind is for a 1946 BC12 D. I have never seen this in writing anywhere. Thanks.

[Yellow Duck]

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Vic, I believe it is 15 MPH. Can't remember where I have seen it, but believe it is that or about that. There may not be any place it is written, at least for the BC's . However, there may be one for the F-19, and it should be close.

[Carl Ellis]

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I looked through my F-19 POH and didn't see anything about max demonstrated cross wind. The POH has a 1975 revision.

- Carl -

[CraigH]

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An F21B will handle a 20kt direct crosswind, but it sure doesn't like it!

[Victor Gisclair]

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I have landed in 20K in the T-Craft, but your better be quick on the rudder and keep that windward wing down. As you said it doesn't like it, also makes the polit grab a hold of the seat if you know what I meam. Just wonder if there was a magic number somewhere that we have to go by.

[Carl Ellis]

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I think it all comes down to situation and experience.

[Richard Boyer]

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So.....the less experience you have, the larger crosswind component you will brave. The more experience you have, the higher the probability that you will crack open a beer and watch the less experienced try to land.

right?

Richard Boyer
N95791
Georgetown, TX

[Robert Lees]

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Carl is right...

...before I get to that, I have to confess that I have found no documentation that refers to ANYTHING at all on POH for the B*12-type models, apart from starting and shutting down, a complete half-page! I personally think this is a good idea, in that there is less for instructors, insurance companies and "airport bums" to complain about (and possibly file a suit for).

...now back to Carl and others:

Personally, I find that my BC12D will land in line with the runway at zero crosswind component. Any crosswind component above say 5 kt, my plane tends to take off and land with a bit of "diagonal" to reduce the crosswind component, which depends on the runway width.

At 5 kt, I look for about 10 degrees of diagonal.
At 20 kt, about 45 degrees.
At 25 kt, I just take off and land into wind, the width of the runway is not relevant.
At 30 kt, as long as the wind is steady (and not gusting), I have a ball.
At 35 kt, the wind speed is higher than my stall speed, I sit in the bar and watch the Cessnas have a ball.
At 40 kt, I sit in the bar and watch the Cessnas have a fright.
At 50 kt, I sit in the bar with the Cessna pilots and we all have a ball.

Just remember that all the the runway centreline markings do is to mark the centreline of the runway.
You are not legally obliged to land down them.
If you do, the centreline lights will just bugger up the tailwheel.

[crispy critter]

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Demonstrated X-wind in the BC12D's is 12-15kts.I have landed a t-craft in twice that(30kts)but would rather not do it again unless I just have to.

[dennispip]

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If there is some fuel in the tank and nothing is on fire, you should never HAVE to do anything in most parts of the country. Find an alternate and don't bend anything! I have found that 15 Knots X/W on grass is safe, but needs you full attention especially if it is gusting.

Perhaps someone out there can tell us if there was a need for designating crosswind components back in the 30's since most "fields" in the 30's/40's didn't really have designated runways. As I understand it, they simply departed and landed into the wind. It must have been a lot less crowded and simpler in the good old days.

I love flying my Taylorcraft. But as the wind gets to blowin' too much, you get to feelin' that you are about to discover what Bob Dylan meant when he sang that "the answer my friend, is blowin' in the wind". The question you ask yourself is why. Every man/woman and every machine has its limitations.

[Carl Ellis]

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My runway is asphalt, only 40 feet wide, with lights. I am very conservative as 200 hour pilot should be.

- Carl -

[Jim Hartley]

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The gust factor is what will get you. It is rare in my area that you get steady winds. A 15 mph steady is one thing,but add a 5 to 15 mph gust and your day can be ruined. It is nice to know that you can have the wing down and point the nose down the runway and still have enough rudder effectiveness to yaw the nose away from the wind. I practice crosswinds,but I always want to have some "maneuvering room" left or a "limb to crawl out on" if you will.?

[Len Petterson]

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In Canada Fligth Supplement is a crosswind chart I scaned it in and it is there as a attachment.
According to the chart a ligth aircraft has a cross wind capabilety of 20% of the stall speed. My BC12 D stalls at 42 Mph indicated wich equals 8.4 Mph max 90 deg cross wind.
Consult the chart for different speeds at different angels and have a safe fligth.
The Taylorcraft is a exelent aircraft but as anything else it has LIMETATIONS.
I have found some off them, as well as some of mine.
This chart was my guide years ago than I was flying the Fleet Canuck, wich did not have any pupliched cross wind limetation either.
It is Ok to use a runway on an angel, to get more into the wind just watch for runway ligth!
Safe flying is Happy Flying.
Len Petterson

[Forrest Barber]

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I missed out on how going to the factory & x-wind component got on the same thread . This has all be rehashed before.. all comments are real good. A good old boy told me a long time ago sometimes " You just have to do what you got to do!"
First the BC12D under CAA Parts 3, 3a & 4 ,4a NEVER had any POH as such, never will ,never did..... Those ships operated from the airworthiness limitations & PLACARDS,,,, I was the guy that flew the "demonstrated x-wind " for the F-19 as the Factory Test pilot. I "demonsrated" a landing in 21K direct xwind. The FAA did not accept that speed as I had used "exceptional piloting ability" .... Whew almost broke my arm patting myself on the back after that one. There is a figure in the F-19 Flight Manual with each ship that has a recommended x-wind component, read it if you got one. I was always curious if the winds exceed the reccomendation do you #1. Not land. #2. Fly around till you run out of gas and crash #3. get it over with and crash immediately. #4. the heck with the insurance company, just have a go at it. I like #4......stay safe out there!!