Anyone looking at?

[astjp2]

What we need to comply with the ADS-B mandate? I would like in and out myself...

[M Towsley]

Re: Anyone looking at?

Neat technology but not in a T-Craft, at least my T-Craft. Here is a FAQ I found as I fly out of Class C airspace. Pay attention to #8 for non-electric airplanes. It will be similar to a transponder waiver.

http://www.sagetechcorp.com/general-aviation-support/faqs.cfm#.U0YG_ahdX84

[woodmw]

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Here is a link to the GPO for a pdf of 14 CFR 91.225, the FAA document concerning ADS-B out requirements.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title14-vol2/pdf/CFR-2011-title14-vol2-sec91-225.pdf

I've read it a multiple times and I keep coming up with:

Below 10,000' msl or 2500' agl, no B or C, or above B or C.

Can anyone get a different interpretation?

Here is the link to the transponder requirements.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title14-vol2/pdf/CFR-2011-title14-vol2-sec91-215.pdf

I get the same restrictions. But must not be correct since Marty is flying in Class C around KSPI. I always thought transponders were required in Class C. And I was told by an instructor that this was the case.

Marty, are you based @KSPI?

[astjp2]

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They just extended the class B over our airport a few years ago, we are class D and so I think I am affected...Tim

[M Towsley]

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I fly out of KSPI with a transponder waiver. I renew it every year. ADS-B will be similar in that a waiver will have to be obtained.

[Bigdog]

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This is the out for us...

foot increments. This requirement applies—
(1) All aircraft. In Class A, Class B,
and Class C airspace areas;
(2) All aircraft. In all airspace within
30 nautical miles of an airport listed in
appendix D, section 1 of this part from
the surface upward to 10,000 feet MSL;
(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2)
of this section, any aircraft which was
not originally certificated with an engine-
driven electrical system or which
has not subsequently been certified
with such a system installed, balloon
or glider may conduct operations in
the airspace within 30 nautical miles of
an airport listed in appendix D, section
1 of this part provided such operations

Note the "engine-driven" - you could use a wind generator and still not need a transponder. I fly out of a tower controlled field (Class D) under the Class B/Mode C veil of Houston. There are several non-transponder equipped aircraft that are based here. When flying the Tcraft I never needed a formal waiver. I just added "negative transponder" to my first radio transmission. The tower never hassled me or anyone else I know of.

[akndrifter]

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It doesn't matter if your aircraft currently has an electrical system, if it didn't originally come certified with one then you are exempt.

[woodmw]

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It doesn't matter if your aircraft currently has an electrical system, if it didn't originally come certified with one then you are exempt.

Read the next part after the 'red' section Greg posted. If the aircraft ever has an engine driven system installed, the exemption is gone....in the eyes of the FAA. But then like anything dealing with regulations; only matters when you get caught. At least in this case, you should not be jeopardizing anyone but yourself.

And another thing:
What happens in Alaska, stays in Alaska. You guys get to dance to a different drummer.

[woodmw]

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I fly out of KSPI with a transponder waiver. I renew it every year. ADS-B will be similar in that a waiver will have to be obtained.

Now things are clearer....Class C is 'out of bounds', just that there is a way around it. Or should I say through it. Is the waiver good in all Class C, or just @ KSPI?

[Bigdog]

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Now things are clearer....Class C is 'out of bounds', just that there is a way around it. Or should I say through it. Is the waiver good in all Class C, or just @ KSPI?

I believe it's specific to the controlling ATC group. In Houston you'd need a waiver from Houston Center to go into either the IAH Class B or the HOU Class C. But we can fly under it and under the Mode C veil without a waiver based on the exemption. Years ago I got a waiver from Houston Center to fly into DWH when I had an inop transponder for an extended period.

[M Towsley]

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Mike,

It is only good at SPI. Obviously, if there was something that would cause you to 'have' to land at a different controlled airport they should let you operate in their airspace and land.

Before moving the plane to SPI I used to fly under their airspace frequently. I once heard the controller advising another aircraft of a flock of birds near our lake. It was me he was referring to.

[astjp2]

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Getting a written waiver is like pulling teeth on chickens, I tired for the SLC class B and they laughed at me...They don't always give written waivers....

[adrozell]

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The only one I have seen here in dfw was on a d17s beach.

[astjp2]

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I think I will have about 4K invested if I get the out/in and a 406 elt....

[adrozell]

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No thanks I will stick with my a-65-8 and a hand held. I get my fill of big airports at work. I just avoid any thing with a control tower in the T. I think tcas and mode s data are making lazy pilots. I see guys at work just look at the fish finder and if they do not see it there in dose not exist. Way to heads down, down low. So just watch out people forget we are out there. Just like defensive driving, defensive flying. People think it is all going to show up in the box and when it doesn't it shocks the hell out of them.