0200 for C-85-8

[crispy critter]

Tribe,
I have been having so much trouble with the FSDO on a prop approval on Crispy that I'm seriously thinking about scratching the whole idea and going with the BC12D-85 conversion. If anyone would like to trade thier C-85-8 to a freshly overhauled(1.5 hour since major) 0200 I would certainly be interested! I'm just getting tired of the run around and I want to fly!!!!!

[O.Taylor]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

prop run around, when I put the C-90 in mine, I got a field approval to add on to the Harrer ( or whoever) STC, the guy called me and said it is ready to sign off we just need to know which prop you will be using, so I named one that I thought Eric used, he said no that won't work, so I named one I had on a 85 HP Cub, he said that won't work, so I says how 'bout you telling me
what I can use, he says, No I can't do that, so I go and look at what's on the 65 HP, tell him that, and he says "You're good to go, I'll add it to your paperwork and get it to you", so I thanked him for the help?, and later just made a logbook entry were the prop was changed. I love dealing with the FAA, it reminds me of a lady I once knew, O.T.

[Steve Samo]

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Hey Kevin,

Don't know if you recall we spoke on the phone. I looked at Jason's F-19 down in Texas. We talked briefly about possibly doing some work on his plane if I had ended up buying it.

Anyway I am still shopping for an 0-200 since my crank and two cylinders are shot. Let me know if you need the C-85 trade-in or are willing to sell it outright.

Thanks - Steve Samo (Connecticut Yankee)

[crispy critter]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Hey Kevin,

Don't know if you recall we spoke on the phone. I looked at Jason's F-19 down in Texas. We talked briefly about possibly doing some work on his plane if I had ended up buying it.

Anyway I am still shopping for an 0-200 since my crank and two cylinders are shot. Let me know if you need the C-85 trade-in or are willing to sell it outright.

Thanks - Steve Samo (Connecticut Yankee)

Steve, Do you have a C-85-8 engine?

[Ragwing nut]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Tribe,
I have been having so much trouble with the FSDO on a prop approval on Crispy that I'm seriously thinking about scratching the whole idea and going with the BC12D-85 conversion. If anyone would like to trade thier C-85-8 to a freshly overhauled(1.5 hour since major) 0200 I would certainly be interested! I'm just getting tired of the run around and I want to fly!!!!!

What prop are you trying to run?

Mike

[crispy critter]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Anything they will let me....it shouldn't even be an issue,reading the ATC's for the BC12D and F-19's there should be a wide selection that should interchange with a log book entry but because I don't have an AWC they are telling me I have to get my prop approved on a 337 before they will sign the AWC. There was several props approved on the F-19 and O200 that also are now approved on the BC12D because of the McCauley interechange allowance between the 1A90 and the 1B90. The Feds are telling me they can't find anything anywhere that tells them specificly I can use a 1B90 or 1A90 on a BC12D for installation onto an O200....Duuuhhh!!!! It's a frist time deal! The original guy who approved the engine is now retired. At the time we did the engine we asked about a prop and stated we wasn't sure what prop would be best.He said we didn't need a 337 on the prop because the prop was already approved on both ATC's and would not be an issue,just write it into the logs. Here's where is gets better....the guys issuing the AWC agreed....BUT,only if the AWC had already been issued or wasn't the issue. For them to cover there butt's they must have approval somewhere in writing that says they can use "X" prop or "any prop from this size to that size" before they will sign the AWC.......ontop of that,these are the same guys that are supposed to be signing the AWC also have to approve the 337 for a prop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The FSDO is making me go through a DAR,the DAR can't do the field approval on a 337. He has to send it to Atlanta and wait several months before they say yes or no, or can simply wait in Limbo(like he's doing) while we get a 337 approved through the same office that sent him to do the inspection for the AWC. I talked to another inspector over the weekend from another FSDO,they said if I really push the issue "politely,as to not piss them off" I could insist they come do the inspection themselves and sign the prop on AWC at the same time and it would not cost me the price of a DAR....in fact it would be free. We will see how it goes tomorrow.

[MNJoe]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

I might Kevin and you know what I have. If your interested email me at work.

Joe Shallbetter

[crispy critter]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Joe,
For this to work correctly I have to have a C-85-8 engine without the accessory case for electrics

[Ragwing nut]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. A DAR should not have to wait for FAA approval, he is equal to FAA in Airworthiness and with his signature, it is approved data. Metal props are not like most wood props on TC's. They are specifically called out and that is what is to be used. However, there should be a McCauley service letter that shows interchangability that you can provide to eliminate some of their stupidity. Wood props are nice in that on most TC's it does not call out a specific prop, or if it does, it also says "or any other wood propeller that meets diameter and rpm requirements". That is how we are able to install Falcon propellers on most antiques. Oh the joys of airplane ownership......

Mike

[crispy critter]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Mike,
Try explaining that to my FSDO or the DAR....I've been trying to but they are still not wanting to work that easily with me on it. I have even shown them a letter of interchangability on all the props listed for both ATC's on t-crafts. I downloaded all the info I needed to prove to them the prop should be no more then a log book entry and install but they are still telling me I need to have testing for vibrations and crap like that.....soooo, I went into FAA.gov and spent 6 hours on the computer last night downloading the same shit off there web site.....maybe this will do it! I might regret saying this but sometimes I think the FAA inspectors get there job because the are unable to do anything else!!! No offence intended to anyone.....lol

[Ragwing nut]

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Most get thier position today because they hold a piece of paper (degree). Takes precedent over field experience and most can't spell airplane or tell the difference between a J-3 and a 747. (no disrespect to those on here that actually enjoy airplanes as a hobby). Sound like you are dealing with a bunch of incompetents and i would already have gone postal on them. I have no quams about telling an idiot inspector where to shove it when they start arguing facts that contradict the laws they are suppose to know to even do the damn job. Somewhere I have a website on how to report those types to their superiors in DC.

Mike

[Ragwing nut]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

Metal props not specifically called out in the TC will require a 337 but it is an approved major alteration with paperwork to substantiate the change as in using a McCauley 1A90 in place of a 1B90. As long as it is within length and RPM requirements, they should not even be arguing with you over it.

Mike

[tawadc95]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

my opinion on govt people is they go to govt for work because they cannot think other than what has been told them, making them totally ineligible for self employment.

[clipit]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

kevin i have a good c-85-8 and will trade if you need it. greg

[crispy critter]

Re: 0200 for C-85-8

what kind of times are on it?