F-19 Value??

[dunhamme]

I have the chance to buy an F-19. Here is the skinny on it. It needs a complete re-cover, slight damage to the left leading edge and it was nosed over and had a prop strike on the 0200. It's a 1976 and has Wheels, skis and 1500 Aqua floats. I haven't seen the floats yet so don't know what condition they are in.
I don't know much about T-Craft so I'm looking for a rough figure what this plane might be worth?
I figure I would get about 10K in a re-cover and crank check. Am I close here?

[dcooper]

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Am in a similar situation, my find is complete and undamaged but has been outside, exposed to the elements for two years, with disassembled wings, on a trailer. The engine is mid time and the airfrrame seemingly free from deterioration.
In the absence of encouragement from the tribe, I will probably work backwards from a max. valuation of $30K, deducting for a recover/paint job, deducting for engine tear down, instrument/carb overhaul, new interior and strut AD compliance, annual and a bunch of things overlooked and undiscovered, which probably results in a monetary value of very little. Paying for the opportunity to get this fine old airplane airworthy.............................priceless! Right now I am looking to make an offer of $5K. What would it be worth parted out, as that is the option of the current owner?

[Mark Julicher]

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I paid 9K for a stock F-19 in 2007 and figured it was a fair price. I had to trailer the plane 2000 miles. Condition: Appears to have been mostly hangared in central California, engine has 2000 hours and has not been run for a few years, covering needs to be replaced, headliner is ratty, radios are essentially junk, struts are original.

Starting at $30K and working backwards is always a good exercise.
With free labor:
$7K to rebuild the engine
$4K to cover it
$2K for minimal radios
$1K for the unknowns
$500 for some interior pieces
$2500 for struts
The math says I might have given a little more for it.

With professional labor:
$16K to cover it
$12K to overhaul the engine
$3K for radio installation
$1K for an interior
$2500 for struts
The math says they should have paid me to haul it off.

Sell it all on e-bay:
fuselage: $3K
wings $3K
tail feathers $1K
O-200 core $3K
Prop $1500
Struts mostly worthless
Cowlings $1000
Keep all the parts in storage while waiting to sell them - dunno, but some expense there.
So maybe $9K was OK if you don't mind trailering the plane.

[Edwin Otha]

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Mark,
If that is 56T my name should be all over the logs. The company bought the plane new. It was 1 of 2 purchased to become a dealer for Taylorcraft.
EO

[Mark Julicher]

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Edwin,
Yes, I have 3556T Serial number F-015
I regret to say I could not find your name in the logs although it would be fascinating to know more of this planes history. I know Amelia Reid owned it.
Initial flight was by Ken Pugnbuhl (sp?) in May 74
FAA sign off flight was by Delano Castle in June 74
Other names found are Kenneth Scott - FAA Inspector
C.L. Lynn A&P
Vern Miller IA
Clut Wackeman A&P
Alfonse Cernak IA
Paul Agalioti A&P
Robert Reid A&P

Robert signed the plane off for a ferry flight from San Jose to Ontario Oregon in 2002. I picked up the plane in San Jose, so I don't know how it got back to California.
In 1974 somebody smacked the propeller and it was repair for a 4.5 degree bend in one blade. That should be a good story. Somewhere it was covered and painted white with blue trim from its original yellow with red trim. Since I can not find any yellow layers of paint on any fabric I assume this is new covering but it is undocumented in the logs. I still need to see if FAA records show a 337 for the covering.
The engine was removed and used on another plane and then put back on 56T. Probably a good story there too.

[Edwin Otha]

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Mark,
I am indeed on of those guys listed. I can fill you in on all of the details including the story about the cast iron Hibachi.
The POH belonged to the sister ship of 56T. The records were probably misfiled at the school.
EO

[Mark Julicher]

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Ah Ha!
I had not performed the simple expedient of looking up your registered name. I take it that Edwin O is a pseudonym or alias designed to fool a poor SOB like me.

Indeed I would be pleased to know whatever you can tell me about this nice plane. I am going to start re-covering very soon, although since I work as an itinerant constant it gets difficult to get a lot of hands-on time lately.

[Forrest Barber]

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Test pilot was Kenneth Luginbuhl ; from Alliance , trained students in Florida for Bay of Pigs; came into Taylorcraft as DMIR and Test Pilot for Mrs. Feris. Died in crash of D-52 ; long winged Taylorcraft built as a motor glider. Signed me off for my Commercial check ride.

[astjp2]

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I would not pay more than 3k tops, its basically half a project. Tim