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  • Airframes: Clip Wing Taylorcrafts

    WE have had many requests to start up a thread on the Clip-Wing Taylorcraft; Duane Cole version; Mike Swick version & the few original ones out there.
    So here we go with the "B" or side by side ones and then maybe add the "D" models too. lets hear from any one who owns one or wants to own one.
    I will very soon put up a description and information of the Standard Category one "Leisa Marie" the Super T ( 180 HP) that I flew for a few years and now owned by Mark Ohlinger, Akron, Oh.
    Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
    Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
    TF#1
    www.BarberAircraft.com
    taylorcraft@neo.rr.com

  • #2
    OK- glad we got one going that I can really get excited about! I need someone to weigh a completed BC12-D UNCOVERED WING AND AILERON. I would really like to compare the weight of my all wood clipped wings to a stock wing. Any help on this one is greatly appreciated. Norm- don't go removing the covering from your wings to help me ;-)

    I went to see the progress on my fuselage today and it looked great! Everything is done except changing the angle of the strut attach fittings!
    Eric Minnis
    Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
    www.bullyaero.com
    Clipwing Tcraft x3


    Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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    • #3
      Ok gang I am in. Now does anyone have a set of BC12D wings in good shape (bad spars ok) I need them for a clip wing that I am about to start. Thanks. For what its worth I am using a good BL 40 airframe. Don't worry it will be a low (100hp job)

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      • #4
        Nothing wrong at all with the '40 airframe. My 160 HP clipwing was a '39 and Duane Cole's plane was a '38. You really can not hurt them in the air- it is the ground that messes them up!

        I am thinking of putting an IO- 540 in mine! (kidding)
        Eric Minnis
        Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
        www.bullyaero.com
        Clipwing Tcraft x3


        Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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        • #5
          wind weight

          2054 hrs and i have my ass outside in the cold holding a flashlight under my chin balancing a bare wing and aileron on a set of bathroom scales with a dog humping my leg.
          80 pounds Eric
          B 52 Norm
          1946 BC12-D1 Nc 44496
          Quicksilver AMPIB, N4NH
          AOPA 11996 EAA 32643
          NRA4734945
          Lake Thunderbird , Cherokee Village
          Somewhere on the 38 parallel in NE Arkansas

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          • #6
            Did you subtract the weight of the dog and the flashlight? Dick
            Dick Smith N5207M TF#159

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            • #7
              Let's get this ball rollin'! I have 8 or so wings - at least a 1 pair should be clipped! Yeah...... an Over-Powered, Clipped-Wing with room for my 105# dog in the back. And Big tires. Yeah..... And electric start.
              Chris Hatin
              Bushwhacker Air, LLC
              www.bushwhackerair.com

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              • #8
                Norm- Are you serious? Did you do that for me? Did you let the dog finish?

                Here is what I got. . .
                My all wood clipped wing, aileron included 68 pounds. I do still have to add the weight of the cable but that can not be more than a few pounds. I guess I can call it an even 70 pounds.
                Eric Minnis
                Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
                www.bullyaero.com
                Clipwing Tcraft x3


                Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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                • #9
                  Wing weight

                  Eric me boy
                  Yes im serious

                  Yes i did that for you using a bathroom scale that could be a # or 2 off and that includes the cables

                  No the dog did not get to finish as he's a she and not too sure of her sexually. If she was an insect she would be a
                  LES BEE

                  Yes Dick i subtracted the dog and the maglite

                  Anyone else out there to confirm on the wing weight?
                  Last edited by stormman; 12-22-2003, 21:17.
                  B 52 Norm
                  1946 BC12-D1 Nc 44496
                  Quicksilver AMPIB, N4NH
                  AOPA 11996 EAA 32643
                  NRA4734945
                  Lake Thunderbird , Cherokee Village
                  Somewhere on the 38 parallel in NE Arkansas

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                  • #10
                    If anyone wants to see the progress of my project I just updated my webpage. You can access it at http://home.mebtel.net/~acroeric/

                    Select the tab 12-20-03 update. If you do not have high speed internet it will take a while to load.
                    Eric Minnis
                    Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
                    www.bullyaero.com
                    Clipwing Tcraft x3


                    Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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                    • #11
                      Eric, thanks for your wonderful web-site, and all the info on the Clip-wings. I have often wondered about the different versions, and your descriptions of the Swick/0-200 vs. the Cole/0-320 are interesting. I have been a Taylorcraft enthusiast for most of my life; I own and am rebuilding a 1974 Pitts S2A right now, and fly a '46 BC12D-1, and have a '41 project airframe stashed away for some future time. I have wondered if a Taylorcraft Clip-wing would satisfy my aerobatic needs. I fly mostly for fun, but I also like IAC competition and used to compete through Intermediate. The Pitts flies so well, but the passenger accomodations are lousy, and the lack of heat precludes much cold (or even chilly) weather flying. The Pitts' range isn't much for cross-country, not only not much gas, but an hour and a half in the seat, and I just have to get on the ground and try to walk again!

                      Knowing you work for the FAA, are you able to build your project as an approved aircraft, or is it Experimental Exhibition, with the accompanying restrictions of use? I wondered about homebuilding from scratch a Taylorcraft "clone", and then maybe I could add a couple inches of extra room, height, length, width, in the cockpit for my 6'4" frame and passenger comfort. The possible engineering complications can probably make one's head spin! Your thoughts would be much appreciated. Anyway, thanks for the information and photos!

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                      • #12
                        Wing Wieght

                        Eric,
                        I will get my dad to help me this weekend and wieght one for you.I have a full length BC12D wing hanging from the wall with cables installed and all hardware.I will wieght the aileron seperatly.
                        Kevin Mays
                        Kevin Mays
                        West Liberty,Ky

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                        • #13
                          Paul- While the Tcraft is no Pitts it does make about the nicest flying honest acro mount anyone could ask for. A 100 HP clipwing will beat a Super Decathalon any day given the pilot skill is identical. In addition I am building mine to qualify for the new sport pilot rule. I do have a bit of Pitts time and they are fun but not a good everyday go somewhere and acro along the way type of plane. The clipwing is so versitile- it does so many things well. As for experimental- yes, I am going experimental amateur built. I hav ebuilt so much of the plane and re-designed so much it will easily qualify under the 51% rule. Experimental exhibition is not a desirable AW Certificate to have. . . too many operating and area limitations.

                          Kevin- Thanks for the additional data point. My wing was put on a more accurate scale today and it came in a little lighter. It is 67 pounds ready to bolt on minus the cables. I plan to get the hole saw and have at it this weekend. Anything not structural is coming off! I am shooting for 750 pounds empty. Anything more than that and I am removing parts.
                          Eric Minnis
                          Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
                          www.bullyaero.com
                          Clipwing Tcraft x3


                          Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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                          • #14
                            If anyone wants to check the status of my project I just updated the page again. Still on schedule!
                            http://home.mebtel.net/~acroeric/
                            Just click on the UPDATE 12-28 tab. There are many photos so it may take a minute to load. I finished my observer doors today and am very happy with the way they came out. I used stock BC12-D doors and can pass along some photos if anyone wants to do the same. I am going to start stripping and priming parts as soon as the temps get in to the 60's. Today would have been a great day for it but I was busy doing other stuff.
                            Eric Minnis
                            Bully Aeroplane Works and Airshows
                            www.bullyaero.com
                            Clipwing Tcraft x3


                            Flying is easy- to go up you pull back, to go down you pull back a little farther.

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                            • #15
                              Wing Wieght for Eric

                              Eric,
                              I got that wing wieght you wanted today.A stock 1946 BC12D(not clipped)wing with SS cables,aileron,6 gallon fuel tank,18 feet of electrical wire for the nav light,completely assembled,ready to bolt on and fly(minus fabric)everything rebuilt with all new hardware wieghts 78lbs 4oz(left),the right one came in at 78lbs 7oz.I was surprised to see them wieght in that close to each other.Hope this helps you Eric.
                              I will try to post some pictures in a couple of days.

                              Kevin Mays
                              Kevin Mays
                              West Liberty,Ky

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