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**Ron Greene** · 05-27-2005, 19:03

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Harry,

I have remained totally silent on this issue, as have the majority of the 490 members, let me repeat that, 490 members. Please do not attempt to drag us into your personal battle with Bob (one member) with THREATS to remove your factory page from this forum unless we support you.

I can only speak for myself and would never speak for others. I can tell you my parents told me "if you don't have anything good or nice to say, don't speak.

Ron Greene

**crispy critter** · 05-27-2005, 21:54

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Thanks Ron,I'm glad someone said it.That one statement alone should tell you something about Harry's character.I have a few VERY negitive things I could say about dealing with Harry,my own and several non-computer using friends but I'll just keep it to myself for fear of being persicuited for attempting to express freedom of speech.
I desperately want to see taylorcraft make it but all I can say is what goes around comes around.

**Steve Pierce** · 05-27-2005, 22:47

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It has been my experience that where there is smoke there's fire. It seems there is a lot of smoke.

**Aircraftman1** · 05-28-2005, 02:44

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I just got in from out of town... I will be more than happy, to disect Harry's "laughable law suit letter" sentence by sentence, and reply to him... Tomorrow afternoon/evening, first time I'l have the chance to spend the time. Bob Macey

**Steve Pierce** · 05-28-2005, 05:27

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I find it laughable, especially after my dealings with Harry and the comments from others I know that have either worked at the factory or had some direct dealings with. They all say the same thing.

**CraigH** · 05-28-2005, 07:02

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Bob,

If (BIG IF) the suit actually materializes and you wind up in court, I'll be more than happy to take time off to testify as to my dealings with him. I'm sure plenty of others will as well.

**Aircraftman1** · 05-31-2005, 02:23

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My reply to Harry Ingram: Statements made are my opinion... Bob Macey

"Taylorcraft Aviation has filed suit against ex-employee Bob Macey for his allegations and harassment. The Internet does provide an excellent permanent record." Allegations and harassment? My mounting stack of evidence or "Allegations" as you call them, speak volumes about the way you do business, and all "Allegations" point to the same conclusion, that they are, in my and a lot of other people opinion, FACT! Your right, Sport, the Internet does provide an excellent "permanent record." The comments you have made will be an excellent source for a countersuit!, thanks!

"I am very disappointed that this forum has encouraged him to continue this dialog" See EVERYBODY'S in trouble now, Harry's mad... and you can tell it by the way he arrogantly and condescendingly, chides and admonishes all of us for having the audacity to question his integrity, character, or word of honor!

"If my intention was to close Taylorcraft, I would not have given six weeks notice and announce a move to another city." Harry's, Why should anyone believe anything you say? That's the oldest trick yet!... The OLE "I'll be here for six more weeks, meanwhile, I'll have six weeks to run out the back door, with everyone's money, and make my escape."

"Allegations of large numbers of unsatisfied customers are simply not true. We are working with a small number of people that have requested refunds."

This statement alone is so laughable as to not even warrant a reply. I guess desperate people will say desperate things, and tell more lies!

"It's easy to see from Bob's letters he is crazy and a very dangerous individual trying to destroy Taylorcraft."
Gee Harry, You sure didnt feel I was "Crazy" and "Dangerous" when I was part of your "team," You know, "the team" , the people who, for awhile, were unknowingly used to further you goal of robbing people!.. In Fact, according to you, I was a really great guy!, and I was tired of your continuous,never ceasing praise about my beautiful, world class interior craftmanship! If I was so "Dangerous". why did you share with me some of your personal scam secrets? You know, things like "Most people will just blow off, getting ripped off, if their from out of state, too much trouble, and too many expenses to sue!... Yes Harry, kinda like you used to do in the used car business, only with bigger money involved ! Also, Thank you for your slanderous comments Harry! Looks like You've just become part of my retirement plan!
We snicker at your feeble attempt to establish a bond with, and foster unity among the members here, trying to FORCE them to agree with your position... You forget Harry, You've already ripped a lot of them off! Nice try on that one too!... I have no problem with "Taylorcraft." I have a problem with con man, "Harry Ingram", the "man" (term used loosely), running Taylorcraft. My problem specifically is, all the people you have lied to, all the people you have ripped off. Your fraudulant business practices, Your mail fraud, wire fraud, etc, etc, etc... All the people you have caused heartache and misery... including me. Until now, no one had any way of knowing all your scams because it was nationwide, with only you knowing who all your victims were, Funny I wasn't "Crazy and "Dangerous" until I starting calling everyone's attention to all these many, many "allegations." from all your "Cash Cow" customers!.. Another problem I have with you Harry boy, is the way you have completely run into the ground, and close to destroying, the good name of a good airplane...

Your arrogant, conceited, egostistical, superior and condescending attitude appalls me, and everyone else I've spoken with... Yes Harry boy, the best thing for Taylorcraft would be for you to peddle your B.S, down the road, and let someone else take over the company... I think is would be safe to say at these point, that you have failed miserably at your Taylorcraft Venture."

"I am now asking for the support from all members."
How many years have you been asking for that? How many years have you been asking for everyone to "Support" you, to "Bear" with you, To "Give you some time", to "Give you a chance", That your "missunderstood.",Etc, etc, etc, Blah, Blah, Blah..... Sorry Harry, We heard it all before,time after time, after time... You ask all these things while your financial rampage and carnage continues, customer after customer ... sorry Harry, Your finished!

"Don't let this guy cause this dissension among us." In other words... Don't let Bob confuse you with the facts! Please ignore Bob and his mounting piles of evidence, and please ignore him as he exposes and lay's bare my business practices. Please just ignore all the many members, and many, many people of the aviation community, who's money I've stolen, who have also came forward to expose me... Please just ignore the all the many, many, many bad stories you've heard about me, year after year after year AFTER YEAR!... Please ignore all the nationwide aircraft magazines and news papers who have dispatched investigative reporters, with soon to be written articles on Harry and his business practices!.. forget all that!!!. NONE of its true!.. Please ignore the city of la Grange, in how I took them for a joy ride, They paid my rent for years and years!, while I continually broke most, if not all of my agreements with them, UNTIL I WAS KICKED OUT OF THE PROGRAM!...Please help me as I start to run the same, tired, but tried and true scam on the "City of Brownsville". Please ignore this giant conspiracy on "Poor Harry." I haven't done a thing, everybody's making all this up. YA GOTTA BELIEVE ME! Don't forget! IM a Christian, and I always sign everything "God Bless." HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"If the majority remains silent and there is no support for Taylorcraft, I will remove the factory page from this forum."
Harry, Harry, Harry, let's forever right now have an understanding. You keep muddying the water here, there IS support for "Taylorcraft" There IS NO support for YOU, Harry Ingram. You keep trying to muddle the two.

NOW your resorting to Blackmailing members into supporting you? You really are desperate, aren't you? IM sure that tactic will win you a lot of converts to your position... Now, you threaten to "Remove your Factory page!" Harry, Harry, Harry, Removing a direct pipeline that feeds you customer after customer for you to con, lie, rip off and cheat?.. No Way!...

As you can see folks, Harry's got some big plans for Taylorcraft! Yessss, Sirrreee!

Texas Law states that Three (3) creditors can join together, and force "involuntary bankruptcy" on a debtor. That would mean the immediate freezing of all business bank accounts, personal banking, all checking accounts, stocks, bonds, any and all financial aspects of a company, along with all company assets, All Taylorcraft assets already stored in a hanger at the airport in Brownsville will be subject to lock down. My legal council has informed me there are a lot of legal maneuvers and ways you can do this to a company. Including Fraud, Deceptive trade practices, in fact, most of the things Harry's being accused of, just by filing a lawsuit, along with some "Asset Freeze Requests" with the court... When, and If I get your Little love letter from the constable, This will be our next move! City of Brownsville, Are you listening?

**Aircraftman1** · 05-31-2005, 03:04

"Harry's Victims"

Would all of Harry Ingrams Victims please email me with your story, and amount you were taken for? We are now in the process of assembling a list of people for possible reinbursment, Sincerely, Bob Macey [email protected]

**8708** · 06-03-2005, 15:10

A positive report for once.

I am new to the forum and since I have a plane being restored at the factory now I wanted to weigh in.
I took my bc12d to LaGrange in October 2004. I had been in the restoration process for several years and finally had the opportunity to get it done.

I have been to the factory several times and frankly the transformation has been amazing. The staff there worked magic on the fuselage. It is truly a work of art now. It has been back into the original jig, had tubing replaced that had been bent in 50+ years of flying and now it and all the other metal parts have been sandblasted and powder coated.
Sure it has taken longer than I thought it would, but I also know from all my visits that they are making parts and having to go through a lengthly FAA approval on every one before they can put it on a plane. That is the main holdup with my project.

I know some of you may have had a bad experience with the factory, but as they say, don't judge a person until you have walked in their shoes.

I even had a phone call from a disgruntled employee trying to get me to turn my project over to him. I expect it was the same guy that stirred up all the negativism on this forum.

I have met Harry and his staff several times and I feel they are committed to the Tcraft.

Sure I felt a bit of apprehension when the factory announced the move to Brownsville, but again, if you have every been to LaGrange it is a small town without a lot of skilled people in the workforce. If Tcrafts are going to be back in the air they have to get to a place where they can make parts and have enough personnel to get them put together. Brownsville fits the bill for that, I have read that Boeing and Lockheed have manufacturing operations there. Hey, if they wanted to fold it up and run off with your money why would they bother to move the factory?

C'mon folks support the factory! There is nothing wrong with criticism if it is constructive. Let's try that approach instead.
No one else is stepping up to the plate to get the planes back in the air.

**Aircraftman1** · 06-03-2005, 18:15

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Great! A positive experience! I figured someone would eventually come forward with one! The tubing was pretty much the only thing Harry could manage to keep some of the time. Its fairly cheap. Harry told me it cost $600.00 for all the tubing to build a fuselage. That's probably why he went ahead and fixed yours, he had the tubing......And the "Standing around with nothing to do because of no materials" employees spent some time working on yours, So that's good for you! The welder used belonged to Travis, since the "Factory" doesn't even OWN a welder...So, in the 8-9 months he's had it, WHAT ELSE has been done?

"Sure it has taken longer than I thought it would, but I also know from all my visits that they are making parts and having to go through a lengthy FAA approval on every one before they can put it on a plane. That is the main holdup with my project." It sounds like YOU REALLY believe that!

"but I also know from all my visits that they are making parts and having to go through a lengthy FAA approval on every one before they can put it on a plane. That is the main holdup with my project." Wrong!, only the first part made is inspected by the F.A.A. and signed off on. none of the rest are.... And how do you know that? Did HARRY tell you that? If you called the F.A.A. like a lot of people did, MY guess is you would have found out that's it's a lie! Harry ALWAYS BLAMES the F.A.A., it's THEIR FAULT jobs are never finished! So again, other than you believing what Harry has told you, What are you basing your assumption on?

"I know some of you may have had a bad experience with the factory, but as they say, don't judge a person until you have walked in their shoes." Wow! "Some of us?" How about almost everyone?... I've worked there, I've spoken with the employees, all the mad customers, all the mad unpaid suppliers. I sure feel IM in a lot better position to know that than you! All your basing your opinion on is from you believing the song and dance Harry has fed you, and your swallowing it hook, line and sinker, while Ignoring the piles of evidence that says different, and that they actually worked on your plane in the going on 9 months Harry has had it. Guess what. That's what their supposed to do!

I even had a phone call from a disgruntled employee trying to get me to turn my project over to him. I expect it was the same guy that stirred up all the negativism on this forum.
Well, Your suspicions are wrong! I've never called you, and I've never talked to you. As a matter of fact, I don't even know who you are, and you don't even sign your name? Why is that? How can you be taken seriously if you hide behind a screen name? My guess is Harry has put you up to saying all this!

"Same guy that stirred up all the negativism on this forum" We've just presented the facts as we see them, and let the chips fall where they may. You act like no one has a valid gripe about anything!

"I have met Harry and his staff several times and I feel they are committed to the Tcraft." Yes, We believe you believe that! We believe you have fallen for the used-car-song-and -dance from Harry!

Sure I felt a bit of apprehension when the factory announced the move to Brownsville. Yes, and you should be. Just wait to see if they will be able to find your parts!

"C'mon folks support the factory! There is nothing wrong with criticism if it is constructive. Let's try that approach instead." Hello?.. been there, done that!... You just dont get it, do you? All the numerous people, customers, employees, suppliers, The City of La Grange, All the people holding hot checks from him, nationwide, And the list goes on, DID BELIEVE Harry, and DID support the "Factory," but not now! They've had time to digest all of Harry's LIES, LIES. And MORE LIES... and to suffer from his scamming business practices... You need to WAKE UP!

My name is Bob Macey, and this is my, and a lot of other peoples opinion, now, WHAT is your name?

**Steve Pierce** · 06-03-2005, 19:58

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Has the factory finished any rebuilds or new airplanes?

**Aircraftman1** · 06-03-2005, 23:21

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I never knew of any, or ever heard of any that were finished, anyone? Bob

**flyer1** · 06-04-2005, 10:04

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Well, I have had about enough of this Taylorcraft Factory bashing. I have been reading all of this from Bob and kept silent. Now, I have a few questions for Bob. What have you done or tried to do to get Taylorcraft aircraft back into production or keep the ones in the field going? Were you not hired to design interiors? How many did you complete? How much of your money and time did you put into starting the factory? Weren't you the person that lived in a trailer at the factory for free and still could not get to work on time? Didn't you borrow 500.00 bucks from Harry that you did not repay? Weren't you the the person that the cops came to the factory to calm down because of the ruckus you were causing? Didn't they escort you out? Didn't they tell you not to return?

What I see here is a pissed off ex-employee trying to destroy a man, a factory and an aircraft for personel satisfaction and money. You are wrapping yourself in the cloke of "victum". Shame.

Harry may not be perfect, but he is the only person that stuck his neck out to get Taylorcaft back into production. He is the one that has taken the risk not you, not me . Harry has risked his future, his money and his time. I hope he makes this company work.

Mike Hustak
N23880

**Aircraftman1** · 06-04-2005, 13:38

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Hey Mike!. (in my opinion) Your post is so full of inaccuracies, that it sounds like OLE Harry Boy put you up to writing all this, or you believed the bill of goods Harry is peddling! All this "Bashing" as you say is the direct result of Harry's continual unethical business practices... I have only called people's attention to them. Do you think Harry should continue doing what he's been doing for the last 4 years? It's seems to be obvious thats what you think, so as far as IM concerned, your in the same boat he is! Yes, I believe Harry has put you up to trying to discredit me, and that He and you must be best buddies! Nice try!
Bob Macey

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