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    From a news article concerning the bankrupcy of a company that received Obama Money to "stimulate" environmentally "friendly" corporations

    Solyndra’s $733 Million Plant Had Whistling Robots, Spa Showers
    By Alison Vekshin and Mark Chediak - Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM ET .

    “That’s a lot of money that went into that factory and I just don’t get how that factory is going to make this company successful,” said Barry Cinnamon, chief executive officer at Westinghouse Solar, a Solyndra LLC competitor. “It’s one of those neck-snapping things every time you drove down the highway."

    The glass-and-metal building that Solyndra LLC began erecting alongside Interstate 880 in Fremont, California, in September 2009 was something the Silicon Valley area hadn’t seen in years: a new factory.

    It wasn’t just any factory. When it was completed at an estimated cost of $733 million, including proceeds from a $535 million U.S. loan guarantee, it covered 300,000 square feet, the equivalent of five football fields. It had robots that whistled Disney tunes, spa-like showers with liquid-crystal displays of the water temperature, and glass-walled conference rooms.

    “The new building is like the Taj Mahal,” John Pierce, 54, a San Jose resident who worked as a facilities manager at Solyndra, said in an interview.

    The building, designed to make far more solar panels than Solyndra got orders for, is now shuttered, and U.S. taxpayers may be stuck with it. Solyndra filed for bankruptcy protection on Sept. 6, leaving in its wake investigations by Congress and the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a Republican-fueled political embarrassment for the Obama administration, which issued the loan guarantee. About 1,100 workers lost their jobs.

    Amid the still-unfolding postmortems, the factory stands as emblematic of money misspent and the Field of Dreams ethos that seemed to drive the venture, said Ramesh Misra, a solar-industry analyst in Los Angeles for Brigantine Advisors.

    The entire article can be found here




    Hopefully, the country can withstand the Washington insanity until we can boot the bums out!!!

    Craig

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    Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

    The original funding for this project started under the LAST administration. The current administration should have cut it off! But: it cannot compare to the three TRILLION that was borrowed (not paid for) to start two wars and give an enormous tax break to the wealthy. (The three trillion total is estimated to be the conservative tally by Joe Stiglitz who is a nobel economist.) Its interesting to note here that when Cheney was asked if it was wise to give these huge tax breaks when he was starting two wars, he answered "Its their due".(meaning the rich folk.) If you followed the Enron debacle, whose cost to the taxpayer makes this solar panel company look like chump change, and read a book called "The Smartest guys in The Room", (also about Enron) its easy to understand why we are at the present juncture in history.Its about deregulation and greed. (also...8,500 Enron workers lost their life savings, having invested it in.......Enron.) Lest we forget...from the inception of this factory to the present, prices for solar panels have dropped by 50 percent! Reason? CHINA! whose solar industry is subsidized by.....the GOVERNMENT! Anyone in the U.S. wanna work for 40 bucks a month? JC
    Last edited by jim cooper; 09-29-2011, 18:18.

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    • #3
      Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

      Guess where the Chinese government gets that money to subsidize the solar cells that they sell to us--that's right. Using "our money" to put our companies out of business.

      To be fair though, Solyndra was so poorly run that it couldn't even compete with US solar cell companies.

      I worked for a company that did the same insane money splurge and went belly up; does the name Paul Allen ring any bells.

      By the way, the gov. just this week gave several million to two other solar companies. Said they checked them out thoroughly.

      DC
      Last edited by flyguy; 09-30-2011, 22:31.

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        Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

        I have been searching for anything that will back up Mr Cooper's assertion above.

        It is hard to trace the history of this fiasco in any one place but this article comes close. See below and the full article can be found here



        The statement (The original funding for this project started under the LAST administration) by J Cooper in the above post seems to only provide the biased input of someone of the liberal persuasion

        See items within ( ) in article below. Bush signed an energy policy. He Did Not sign off on giving a specific company money. Also, The DOE under Bush had even turned down the application for money from this company.

        Which to me makes it seem that the liberal and environmentalists take something that was meant to have a positive influnence and miss-uses it to fit their agenda. Then blames everyone else.

        President, Solyndra And his mean green wealth-wasting machine.

        Oct 3, 2011, Vol. 17, No. 03 • By STEVEN F. HAYWARD

        The spectacular collapse of Solyndra has all of the trappings of an epic Washington scandal, with serial revelations of embarrassing and potentially improper White House machinations to secure a $535 million federal loan guarantee for a startup company with dubious prospects of success. The sudden bankruptcy of the Fremont, California, manufacturer of solar panels​—​after it was feted as a model creator of “green jobs” by President Obama and Vice President Biden​—​has already featured FBI raids, contentious congressional hearings, and demands for a special prosecutor to investigate. The plot thickened further last week when Solyndra’s two top executives, who made 20 trips to the White House while their loan application was under consideration, invoked the Fifth Amendment rather than answer questions from the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

        Even if the administration eventually escapes any finding of legal wrongdoing, Solyndra threatens to haunt the green energy campaign in much the same way that the collapse of Lincoln Savings became the emblem of the savings and loan industry’s recklessness in the 1980s. The Solyndra story includes Obama campaign donors and everybody’s favorite Wall Street whipping boy, Goldman Sachs, in the middle of the whole sorry mess. Yet it would be a mistake to mark the story down as merely another excrescence of crony capitalism. It is much worse.

        The green energy lobby is probably hoping that Solyndra’s failure can be portrayed as an isolated case of illegal influence, lest it cast a shadow over the entire edifice of massive subsidies that green energy requires to survive. But Solyndra is merely the most spectacular of several recent green energy failures. And beyond the domain of green energy, the Solyndra fiasco is emblematic of the Obama administration’s economic philosophy, which harks back to the mid-20th-century hubris of state-planned enterprise. It is also fair to note that the origins of this fiasco predate the Obama administration, and illustrate the continuing incoherence and wishful thinking of U.S. energy policy.

        Here’s what we know so far: Solyndra was founded in 2005 on the concept that lightweight, high-efficiency thin-film solar panels in a unique tubular design could compete effectively with traditional silicon-based flat panels. Thin-film solar is the energy equivalent of thin-thigh diets​—​dazzling results are always promised but seldom delivered. Still, the high price of silicon solar panels at the time, along with $78 million in initial capital from several investors, including the Walton family (of Walmart fame) and George Kaiser, an Oklahoma energy billionaire and subsequent donor to the 2008 Obama campaign, were enough to get the company up and running in 2006.

        (At roughly the same time, Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005, another in a long series of energy acts that essentially gave a little to “all of the above” on everyone’s wish list. One section of the law created a new loan guarantee program in the Department of Energy “to support innovative clean energy technologies that are typically unable to obtain conventional private financing due to high technology risks.” In other words, it was intended to back projects too unpromising for the marketplace.)

        Solyndra came knocking at the DOE’s loan office in December 2006 asking for a loan guarantee to enable it to build a brand new manufacturing facility in Fremont. (The loan amount requested in the initial application has been redacted from the publicly available documents.) This was only a few weeks after the DOE announced the program but before Congress had appropriated funds and before DOE had even begun the formal rule-making process for the program. DOE didn’t issue the final regulations until October 2007, so the due diligence process for Solyndra and every other applicant spilled over into 2008. DOE’s main interest with the loan program at that time was in pushing nuclear power technology and improvements to the electricity grid. So Solyndra’s application proceeded slowly. Meanwhile, Solyndra raised another $144 million in private capital during 2008.

        (In the closing days of the Bush administration in January 2009, the Department of Energy tried to get the Solyndra loan through the Office of Management and Budget’s review, but the OMB team found Solyndra’s application insufficient. OMB “remanded” the application back to DOE for further review and modification. As when the Supreme Court remands a case to lower courts for reconsideration, this step is usually tantamount to killing the application.)

        See web link for additional pages

        Craig

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        • #5
          Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

          This maybe was started by the last administration, but it was a Demacratic controlled Congress that was in power. Just sit back and watch the left wing liberals take us into the tank!!

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            Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

            soooo important to remember other endevors funded by the "GOVMINT". The Railroads. The Airlines, (later bailed out by... "THE GOVMINT",) the internet, started by "Govmint scientests," Oil companys & Natural Gas getting BIG -BIG tax breaks (Tremendous!)from...."THE GOVMINT" The Nuclear Energy industry was funded by "The Govmint" The Coal industry was HEAVILY subsidized by "The Govmint" early on. The list goes on. Even the HERO of so many conservatives, Ronnie Reagan was kept alive, as was his entire family,during the depression, by jobs for his father and brother funded by...."THE GOVMINT". (They were on "The Dole". Later, when Ronnie became a front man for General Electric (They built him a big house!)Theatre, he embraced the Conservative doctrine. He turned out to be a BIG SPENDER!, both as Gov. of California and as President. (Raised taxes eleven times!) We even funded the Iran-Contra scandal under Ronnie (millions!)The same party got us into the Depression in 1929 under Hoover, got us into this one under Bush 2. The same people are to blame-Wall Street and the Banks and DEREGULATION! If proper regulation is not imposed, it will happen again in the near future. Anyone who thinks green energy, including solar panels is not here to stay has not yet grasped reality. (Remember: During Bush 2, The SEC was run by Chris Cox, a Republican from California, who was warned many times about Wall Street turning into a Casino. He ignored the advice. He was also told about Madoff and company. Did Nothing. The saying goes...I Think..."Those who don't learn from the past....are bound to repeat it.". (whoops! I left out Ronnie's "Star Wars." Last I heard it had reached 123 BILLION and still didn't work. (I think its been defunded,which is a blessing. It was a loser!JC
            Last edited by jim cooper; 10-04-2011, 19:42.

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            • #7
              Re: Our Liberal Government working at its' finest

              Wow, I can't believe you guys are still hashing this out. Liberal this, and conservative that,.... I think the problem is just politicians. It doesn't matter what side of the hall they sit on. To me the only difference between them is the lies they tell. I was going insert a sample of the different types of lies each side tells, but I don't want to stir this up any more than it already is. It doesn't matter who is in the white house, if there is no accountability.

              Instead of debating your differences, why don't you guys discuss what you can agree on that needs to be done to improve our government. Maybe you could start a petition, or write a letter to your congressman campaign, or something.
              Richard Pearson
              N43381
              Fort Worth, Texas

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