Dogma

[flyguy]

Just reading the replies to "We got Him" thread.

It really is too early in the AM for this, but maybe I got too much brain rest last night. This message applies to many other threads here and things I see throughout human communications everywhere.

Seems such a shame that we ALL behave as if our brains are hardwired like autopilots? It is so depressingly predictable.

I am about the last guy in the world to believe in armageddon predictions, but if we don't all get off our dogmatic high horses and start actually using our grey matter this country is going to be in for a shit storm of biblical proportions.

There are some guys out there who have successfully predicted the last half-dozen economic crashes up to a year before they happened, and they are ALL saying that the CaCa is about to hit the fan here in the good ole' USA. (AND turn life into hell for the really poor folks in other parts of the world.)

If we could knock off the the dogmatic bull crap and start working together we might at least turn the likely economic-power-dive into the ground into just a very severe, hi-casualty crash landing. Maybe.

Is it really necessary that we let the nut-case elements at the extreme limits on both sides so control our thinking, attitudes, and decisions?

Not only would injecting a bit of logically applied facts into our attitudes and decisions help our national economic functioning, but it might even make this a more pleasant place to live for everyone here.
DC

[Larry Lyons]

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Darryl, as a "BORN IN THE USA" type I really do feel what you are saying. I did not celebrate our getting in to Afghanistan, as a matter of fact, my first thought was "why", we just watched Russia get their ass kicked, why now us? I also am bothered buy our going in and shooting Bins even though he offered no resistance.(killed with out cause) However, Japan 1945 comes to mind. Sometimes it just seems right. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", and how many of our young men would have willingly died defending our shores as we spent the next few years putting him (OBL) though our court system, as all our spineless bureaucrats got their faces on TV? I guess I am a closet Jingoist (sp).
Larry
PS: Shoot them all, let God sort it out.

[jim cooper]

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What should come to mind is the Twin Towers. I think justice WAS done. The people killed in NYC. were innocents killed by a maniac. He deserved what he got...in spades! JC

[flyguy]

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Actually I was remiss in that I didn't clarify that the other thread just made me think on a different subject. It made me think of how dogmatic we are in our views on things concerning society, economics, politics, religion, pick one. Were I talking about OBL I would have used the same thread. Let me try again.

Specifically I meant to talk about my perception that we are headed for an fiscal/economic Black Hole and no one wants to drop their dogmatic bickering and try to find a solution before it happens.

After I wrote that it occurred to me that it is actually irrelevant, except for the part about making the US a more pleasant place to live.

It is irrelevant because the crash and burn that I mentioned is VERY likely to happen whether we all pull together or not. If anyone is interested, my thinking behind this view is as follows:

Our government's wilda**s spending spree of recent years has put us in debt by at least 14 Trillion and almost 5 Trillion of that is owed to other countries via US treasury bonds. Those guys can ask to cash in at any time.

There is a movement afoot to replace the Dollar as the international currency.

Pretty soon Japan is going to need it's investment back in order to support it's aging population, and they do not have the funds at home.

There have been warnings about lowering our international credit rating. That or the dollar replacement above could be a tipping point.

If it were possible for China to economically torpedo the US without harming themselves they would likely do it. Conditions allowing that are on the horizon. They are perpetually having to eat crow with our continuous bitching about human rights in THEIR country, and they have to be pissed about it.

The US cannot pay off the the 14 billion or pay back the 5 billion short of "printing" trainloads of money. If we try that it could precipitate a run on the "Bank" by bond holders. The bank is us.

There are still lurking out there some massive commodity and other derivative markets that are totally unsupported by reality and just waiting for someone to panic and bring the whole thing down.

The monster of the commercial real estate devaluation is being kept hidden for now, and the housing market is headed back down again.

Some of the largest US banks are living in a fantasy world where they are using old real estate valuation of properties they own to show they are doing OK.

Many of our states are on the edge of bankruptcy. Who is going to bail them out?

If rampant inflation or a internationally abandoned dollar take us under, there is no one in the world who can "bail" out the US.

Right at the moment I cannot think of anything economic that is going in a positive direction. My past experience has been that that is a really bad sign.
DC

[jim cooper]

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and.....no big banker has gone to jail! Reform on wall street is a no no, so.....it will happen again. Yet, the Canadian Banks are flush. They are much more conservative and refused to deal in subprime mortgages. The public seems to have forgotten what happened and doesn't seem to realize how we got where we are. JC