It's Not Too Late

[mohawktipi]

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The only way we are going to get term limits is if we vote them out after two terms. Congress will never pass a term limit bill because it takes away their cash cow. If The voters would vote for the chllenger every other election, it would be diffficult for big business to get their way. They could not depend on anyone being in office long enough to gain the necessary power.

Massachusets got the ball rolling by voting Repiblican in the most liberal state in the US. We just need to keep it going.

If I can get enough interest, I will produce a bumper sticker that reads:

VOTE INCUMBANTS OUT

[Mark Julicher]

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The bumper sticker might be more effective if it were spelled correctly.

[mohawktipi]

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I miss spelled Masachusetts also. Most people won't catch either error. I saw both errors as I was submitting the post but it was too late.

VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT

[Jim Hartley]

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We must start fresh and at the same time we must be very careful on who we select to replace the incumbents, if that Is what is required.

The "business as usual" mentality in Washington must be reformed. It has taken a long time for our us to get in this mess and it is going to take a long time shovel our way out. It will take more involvement from "We the people" at a grass roots level to effect real change.
The tea parties we see around the country are a step in the right direction if they are productive. Some are and some are not. It is convenient for many people to jump on a band wagon just for the ride.
If we have a silent majority in this country they reap what they sow...

The internet has given us the ability to exchange information quickly and efficiently. All of the potential public servants are from one of our home towns and rant and rave forums are another way to spread the word. no need to defame,just share the facts.

Jim

[mohawktipi]

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Obama ran on a platform of change. He promised to get rid of "business as usual." He then proceeds to appoint Clinton era politicians to fill posts. Not much change.

As the old saying goes, "a new broom sweeps cleanest." I say, sweep them all out. Give a new group a chance. If they don't improve the situation, put more new people in. Keep going until they get it right. Maybe then they will listen to the peolpe and not the corporations.

And while we're on the subject of change, how about getting rid of some career bureaucrats? It's time we require government agencies to do their jobs. Why hasn't the Energy Department done more to get us off the oil dependency? Why does the Imigration Department not fix the illeagl allien problem? I could go on but I'm getting riled again.

VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT

[crispy critter]

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Back in the days of our exploring for-fathers, there was a large ship with a large crew sharing small sleeping quarters. After a few weeks at sea the captin starting getting complaints about the smell in the living quarters and the problem was revealed to be the crews dirty underwear that rarely gets cleaned because the crew usually keeps them on while cleaning there over-clothing. So to cure the problem the captin ordered the first officer to instruct the crew to change their dirty underwear asap. The first officer went to the crew that evening and ordered each crew memeber to change thier underwear with their nearest bunkmate, i.e. Bob,you change your's will Bill, john changed with joe,larry with jack,etc,etc. The moral of this story is that just because someone promisses change dosen't always mean things will get better,in fact it may cause them to get worse if the change is not used with a hint of commen sense.
As for the immigration problem,if we simply send all the illegals home,cut out thier health care,financial aid,SSI,etc,etc. and lock the borders as best we can, it would go a loooong way in itself to paying back the national debt if we used the money saved for that purpose. It is simple things such as this that would improve our national financial problems. I could go on all day but I'll just leave it at that.

[mohawktipi]

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We keep electing the same people and expecting them to make changes. We need to put a new group in office and see if they have the solution.

[jim cooper]

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It happens over and over again. 1929 was caused by lax oversight and deregulation of wall street. It happened in the early 1900's too. Anywhere there's money there's crime. In 1999 Glass Stegall was repealed which made wall street a casino. From 2000 to 2008 it could easily have been stopped. It Wasn't. Too many lobbyists writing our laws, too many retired military of high rank retiring and going to work as lobbyists, along with "retired" senators. (As if they had ever worked.) As long as the unwashed masses clamor for no oversight or regulation, it will happen again, sooner rather than later. All controlled by corporations in cluding health care. BIG profits which they want protected. You, the payer get lousy care. Phil Graham was responsible for axing Glass Stegal along with his wife Wendy. Wendy, Incidentally, was on the board of ENRON! It took an independent investigator 10 minutes to discover Bernard Madoff was a crook. This was in 2003. Yet the SEC under Christopher Cox did NOTHING. (He warned the SEC 3 times!) Term limits are just the start. Proper regulation and stiff jail terms for guilty thieves are as important. As for the current President using Clinton era people, Paul Volker is probably the best sec. of the treas. we ever had. (Clinton also left millions in the till and the country was in GOOD financial shape when he left.) The current office holder was left with tax cuts to the rich that totaled over one trillion and two wars! Real insanity! Illegal immigration occured in 1986 when Reagan let in 3 million from mexico and said there would be no more. REALLY? Nafta promised to create MORE jobs for Americans! Everything Ross Perot said came true. If you notice, NO ONE, not ONE commentator mentions this! JC

[flyguy]

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I am impressed with how much agreement there is here on the problems, but trying to fix them with the system in place is like trying to eat healthy when the only choice you have is burgers, hot dogs, and fries.

I see the supreme court just voted today to endorse the ruling elite and corporations to continue running the country.

I really hate to think about what is going to be required to change things.

It will be a while before that happens and a lot of other really messy things are going to happen before then. Makes me sad to think that this country has sunk to a level that will require such action.
Darryl

[Craig]

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Check out Ray Stevens' video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo

[Forrest Barber]

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I always liked the old adage : " We have met the enemy, and they is us!" I have been pro-active here in Ohio since the first of the year trying to change things in the County and the State Government. I will continue the fight. THIS airport (2D1) has a great approved FAA Master Plan for upgrades an they just don't get it that General Aviation is the back bone of this Nation. I served for 10 years on the Ohio Aviation Association ending up as President and trying to fight the battle for the loss of Airports. I am going back into battle .
Read "Going Rogue" by Sarah Palin; she has it together.

[mohawktipi]

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Terms limits already exist. They are called re-elections. If people would get off their lazy butts and vote, they could limit anybody's term. Problem is nobody votes anymore.

I can remember going to the polls with my parents when I was 10 or 11 (back in the days when you paid poll taxes). They would be in line for over an hour waiting. Now days there are empty voting booths.

In the last Arlington, TX city election, less than 15% of registered voters actually voted. That means the winner only had to convince 7 3/4% of the people to vote for them. In a town of 175,000 registered voters, 13,563 votes is all that is needed. What happens to majority rule. Another way of looking at this is 161,437 out of 175,000 did not vote for the winner.

Any term can be limited.

VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT

[Forrest Barber]

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I do believe this thread is needed, we all know that about 40-42 % of eligable voters actually register to vote. THEN we have only 50-60 % of them turn out to vote most of the time. So we see that 20 to 25% of the population of the United States are the ones to vote in our "leaders"?
It was so easy the last National election time to register voters that had no clue and really voted multiple times. Many words come to mind: pulling the wool, ACORN, pay offs, Nancy Pelosi , etc.... however many of them think they are "right". Too bad WE have the suffer until the next election. Hooray for Mass. I never meant our forumn to be so political , but I guess stating facts is okay , now lets get back to Aviation business , I will call the "factory" again today , Mrs. Harer, Wag-Aero, and my own State Aviation Department to see how we need to proceed in Ohio . s
It is WE the people that is really to blame .

[lfries]

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Pelosi comes from a District that makes Mass. look conservative. Too many Districts like that in Calif.

[Craig]

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Interesting view point


545 vs. 300,000,000
EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits... The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..

If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is up to you.


This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears..

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Ser vice FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can help it get there!

GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN