Lsa or s-lsa

[cvavon]

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I have a question about 43.3 paragraph G the last sentence ( issued a special airworthiness certificate in the lite sport category) what is a special airworthiness certificate and if tcraft fits the category then why cant the owner do preventive maintenance

[avenger1949]

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All the work done to my plane is signed off by an A&P so my log books are fine. I, like a lot of people just wish there was some thought in some of the rules. Trust me I do understand there needs to be rules and guidelines I just wish they made sense sometimes. I could have continued to fly illegal but I wanted to be legal. I was one of, if not the first one to get a light sport license in Kansas and to do it in a MiniMax light sport aircraft had the boys down in OKC scratching their heads. One of my favorites was you can take your check ride while the person overseeing it is on the ground talking to you over a radio. But you can't do a biannual that way, must be done in a two place. Which isn't a problem now but still is to some people with single seat light sport licenses. I love my 46 taylorcraft but it sure was easier in the vw powered minimax.

[M Towsley]

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Chuck,

Not sure if this is what you are asking, but... all the new factory build light sport aircraft are S-LSA, T-Crafts are not S-LSA. Tom Baker, correct me if I am wrong.

And Avenger, I ran into the same problem. Ended up finding a light sport Ercoupe to do my flight review in. That was before I went back to a Taylorcraft. Crazy...

[NY86]

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T-Crafts are not S-LSA.

You have it right. Look at the airworthiness certificate. Taylorcrafts are not S-LSA, or any other LSA category. They must be maintained like any other certificated aircraft, regardless of how they are being used (at the moment).

[cvavon]

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Thanks guys that answered my question

[Forrest Barber]

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All the regs become very important right after the accident. IF it is a fatal , you or them, make sure the survivors know what to do with the maintenance records IF there may be a problem.

ANYBODY , I REPEAT, ANYBODY may do "work" on an aircraft. It is the maintenance records entries ( log books if you will) that have to be done "in accordance" with the "applicable" regulations.
" Preventative maintenance " is very well defined.... I am off to my IA renewal in Cleveland next Sat.. I will study hard on Thurs & Friday ......

[Garry Crookham]

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ANYBODY , I REPEAT, ANYBODY may do "work" on an aircraft.
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I will respectfully disagree with this statement.

Listed below are the applicable Federal Aviation Regulations which apply:

TITLE 14--Aeronautics and Space

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
SUBCHAPTER A DEFINITIONS

maintenance means inspection, overhaul, repair, preservation, and the replacement of parts, but excludes preventive maintenance.
Preventive maintenance means simple or minor preservation operations and the replacement of small standard parts not involving complex assembly operations.

PART 43--MAINTENANCE, PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, REBUILDING, AND ALTERATION

43.3 Persons authorized to perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, and alterations.
(a) Except as provided in this section and �43.17, no person may maintain, rebuild, alter, or perform preventive maintenance on an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part to which this part applies. Those items, the performance of which is a major alteration, a major repair, or preventive maintenance, are listed in appendix A.
(b) The holder of a mechanic certificate may perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations as provided in Part 65 of this chapter.
(c) The holder of a repairman certificate may perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations as provided in part 65 of this chapter.
(d) A person working under the supervision of a holder of a mechanic or repairman certificate may perform the maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations that his supervisor is authorized to perform, if the supervisor personally observes the work being done to the extent necessary to ensure that it is being done properly and if the supervisor is readily available, in person, for consultation. However, this paragraph does not authorize the performance of any inspection required by Part 91 or Part 125 of this chapter or any inspection performed after a major repair or alteration.
(e) The holder of a repair station certificate may perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations as provided in Part 145 of this chapter.
(f) The holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate issued under Part 121 or 135, may perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, and alterations as provided in Part 121 or 135.
(g) Except for holders of a sport pilot certificate, the holder of a pilot certificate issued under part 61 may perform preventive maintenance on any aircraft owned or operated by that pilot which is not used under part 121, 129, or 135 of this chapter. The holder of a sport pilot certificate may perform preventive maintenance on an aircraft owned or operated by that pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category.

43.3(d) addresses uncertificated individuals performing maintenance.

Garry Crookham
CFI-A&P/IA

[dejh22]

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All the regs become very important right after the accident. IF it is a fatal , you or them, make sure the survivors know what to do with the maintenance records IF there may be a problem.

ANYBODY , I REPEAT, ANYBODY may do "work" on an aircraft. It is the maintenance records entries ( log books if you will) that have to be done "in accordance" with the "applicable" regulations.
" Preventative maintenance " is very well defined.... I am off to my IA renewal in Cleveland next Sat.. I will study hard on Thurs & Friday ......

Forrest, "I hear what you are saying" Good luck on your renewal!

[magman]

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I would agree with Forrest's comment & also reference 43.3(d).

My take is FAA does not care WHO actually manipulates the Spray Gun , brush or ?

My concern is always "to the extent necessary".

I can't tell if a fastener was properly torqued.

I have to be there & see it.

Other tasks are not quite that way.

[Forrest Barber]

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Garry , you may respectfully disagree anytime , you are respectfully missing the point this time. This is always a question at the renewal seminars. Work is not used by the authorities.
Who may : perform maintenance , etc..... is the key. A six year old kid can "work" on his Dad's ( or Mom's) airplane. It is the sign-off that is the key.
At many maintenance facilities there are many "workers" , they weld . sandblast , rivet, tear down, build up , recover, etc....
Then there are A's or P's or A&P's ; then there are the IA's . The best was the old D.A.M.I. , they were right next to GOD. nite-nite-

Nice going Bob Ollerton , I have not been using the smilies ...... Wow!

[Garry Crookham]

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Garry , you may respectfully disagree anytime , you are respectfully missing the point this time.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If that six year old kid working on his Dad or Mom's airplane is doing more than giving it a bath or vacuuming the carpets his is probably performing maintenance, which falls under Part 43 and better be supervised.

[Larry Lyons]

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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If that six year old kid working on his Dad or Mom's airplane is doing more than giving it a bath or vacuuming the carpets his is probably performing maintenance, which falls under Part 43 and better be supervised.

Ah? Isn't that what Forrest said? L