WagAero Group

[Forrest Barber]

They did it, I announced in the last Foundation newsletter that they were nearing completion of FAA approval for more parts. The latest catalogue has all the stuff laid out with most prices, some are call for pricing. Lets give them a shot and see what happens . Tom is the man./ I had sent them two sets of tail surfaces, helped out on drawings, just sent an F-19 Exhaust , we are working real well together , tail wires and all parts too!!! 8-36 thread too!

I will not make it to SNF ; had a ride too!! Too much going in Ohio.

I will have a letter to be read at the forumn. ( All Good)

https://www.wagaero.com

[M Towsley]

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Forrest,

A friend of mine and I will be flying his L-2M to SNF this year. Probably more like me flying and him sleeping. Anyway, is there some kind of 'forum' there for Taylorcraft folks?

[Guest]

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They did it, I announced in the last Foundation newsletter that they were nearing completion of FAA approval for more parts. The latest catalogue has all the stuff laid out with most prices, some are call for pricing. Lets give them a shot and see what happens . Tom is the man./ I had sent them two sets of tail surfaces, helped out on drawings, just sent an F-19 Exhaust , we are working real well together , tail wires and all parts too!!! 8-36 thread too!

I will not make it to SNF ; had a ride too!! Too much going in Ohio.

I will have a letter to be read at the forumn. ( All Good)

www.wagaero.com

Sounds good Forrest.

But I have to say that I wish you gave foundation members that kind of support on drawings for repairs etc.

I never saw squat from my requests when I was a foundation member.

Just lot's of delays and twists and turns but never a result.

I suspect I am not alone, but maybe I am.

Dave.

[rail]

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Sounds good Forrest.

But I have to say that I wish you gave foundation members that kind of support on drawings for repairs etc.

I never saw squat from my requests when I was a forum member.

Just lot's of delays and twists and turns but never a result.

I suspect I am not alone, but maybe I am.

Dave.

You are not alone!!!

Charles

[mulwyk]

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Me too. I never had any luck getting any sort of technical support out of the "Foundation". It's a situation that should have been addressed years ago. We see it every day reflected in the selling price of these wonderful old airplanes.
I was actually advised by the local airport idlers to NOT buy a Taylorcraft because "it's an orphan. No parts, no support."

[freightpilot27]

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You are not alone!!!

Charles

Same here.
It took over 2 years just to convince Forrest I paid my dues AND made a substantial extra donation. 3 years to get a card and foundation number to prove it.
Still, almost no answers and a lot of promises with no results.
The only time I got an email response, or a return phone call is when I was trying to buy parts from Barber Aircraft.

I gave up and get what I can through others. Very helpful members here on the forums, and elsewhere.

I would be happy to make a donation FOR THE WEBSITE ONLY. But 100% of my donation would have to go to the website and NOT be involved in any other entity, business or person.

I have never been accused of having any tack...
But, I know im not the only one here with these thoughts.

In a way, I am very grateful to Forrest for supporting WagAero. Now I'll be able to finally get what I need.

[N96337]

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No, Dave, you're not alone.....but it falls on "deaf ears" and nothing changes.... A quick search will show plenty of "support" for your statement.
John

[Forrest Barber]

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The Foundation was set up to preserve and protect the drawings and information, if any think the FAQ sections are not good; or the Foundation newsletters are not good; or for that matter the whole discussion forumn ; they can be removed in a heart beat.

You mention supporting the web site & discussion forumn
The Taylorcraft Foundation IS the web site & Forumn. read the disclamerisclaimer
The Taylorcraft Foundation (TF) does not project or accept any responsibility for participation by any Web site or newsletter reader, member, customer, contributor or groupie at any fly-in functions, forums, or events that may be publicized by newsletter, web site, email, email list, sky writing, newsletter or any other method. All material herein of a technical nature is for reference and historical use only and is not necessarily recommended or approved by the editor of this web site, TF and its officers and board, unless specifically stated.
It is up to the individual reader, his/her Certified Aircraft Mechanic, Government agency, and the Sky Gods to determine the legality and veracity of anything appearing within TF Internet media such as web pages, newsletters, email mail lists, and email. This Internet media is produced only as a medium of communications amongst owners/aficionados of Taylorcraft aircraft and history. Make your own decisions, and take responsibility for your own actions. Many true loyal members who use the information to rebuild their Taylorcrafts pay their $20.00 per year and appreciate it. Many of them can not understand why WE allow non-paying members to participate in the Forumn : My answer ; THAT is the American way!!

There is always a good reason for non-dissemination of information.
call me or use direct e-mail..... when you call please use Tues Wed Thurs afternoons especially if it is raining here in Ohio....

[Guest]

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The Foundation was set up to preserve and protect the drawings and information, if any think the FAQ sections are not good; or the Foundation newsletters are not good; or for that matter the whole discussion forumn ; they can be removed in a heart beat.

You mention supporting the web site & discussion forumn
The Taylorcraft Foundation IS the web site & Forumn. read the disclamerisclaimer
The Taylorcraft Foundation (TF) does not project or accept any responsibility for participation by any Web site or newsletter reader, member, customer, contributor or groupie at any fly-in functions, forums, or events that may be publicized by newsletter, web site, email, email list, sky writing, newsletter or any other method. All material herein of a technical nature is for reference and historical use only and is not necessarily recommended or approved by the editor of this web site, TF and its officers and board, unless specifically stated.
It is up to the individual reader, his/her Certified Aircraft Mechanic, Government agency, and the Sky Gods to determine the legality and veracity of anything appearing within TF Internet media such as web pages, newsletters, email mail lists, and email. This Internet media is produced only as a medium of communications amongst owners/aficionados of Taylorcraft aircraft and history. Make your own decisions, and take responsibility for your own actions. Many true loyal members who use the information to rebuild their Taylorcrafts pay their $20.00 per year and appreciate it. Many of them can not understand why WE allow non-paying members to participate in the Forumn : My answer ; THAT is the American way!!

There is always a good reason for non-dissemination of information.call me or use direct e-mail..... when you call please use Tues Wed Thurs afternoons especially if it is raining here in Ohio....

My gripe is with the items in blue.

The first item that you mention is "drawings and information", that's what I would like access to, and have requested such in the past.

I never got it. Got a lot of don't email pm instead or don't pm me email instead, finally called.

You agreed to send copies, never happened, finally you said I can come and copy what I like but would not confirm that you had the actual drawings in question or if there was copy shop near by. Kind of basic stuff I need to know before a 500 mile trip.

And now you are telling me there was a good reason not to dessiminate the info.

Come on. I have trouble with that Forrest.

If there was a good reason it would be best to hear it then at the time of the requests, wouldn't it?

Rather than be told the items are forth coming then be told two years later that there is "always a good reason".

We went thru many emails, PMs and a phone call and you said that you were going to send me a tail and rudder drawings (for a charge that I was willing to pay).

No mention of "good reasons" from you then.

What could the good reasons have been? I was a foundation member, willing to pay and you agreed.

Yet I agree that you must have had them becuase I never got drawings. The evidence supports your case.

I took you at your word.

If there was a good reason it would have been best to tell me then Forrest. You certainly gave no indication that there was any problem in sending copies.

I see that the same tail drawings are the ones that Wag Aero probably used for their PMA. (I only want them for a repair no PMA)

So I suppose that "good reasons" evaporated or they are user specific.

I won't be calling or emailing, been down that road.

And yes I have been redundant, Dave

[Guest]

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Same here.
It took over 2 years just to convince Forrest I paid my dues AND made a substantial extra donation. 3 years to get a card and foundation number to prove it.
Still, almost no answers and a lot of promises with no results.
The only time I got an email response, or a return phone call is when I was trying to buy parts from Barber Aircraft.

I gave up and get what I can through others. Very helpful members here on the forums, and elsewhere.

I would be happy to make a donation FOR THE WEBSITE ONLY. But 100% of my donation would have to go to the website and NOT be involved in any other entity, business or person.

I have never been accused of having any tack...
But, I know im not the only one here with these thoughts.

In a way, I am very grateful to Forrest for supporting WagAero. Now I'll be able to finally get what I need.

At $20 a year and say 1000 members that's $20,000 per year to supply very little.

According to the 2009 membership renewal letter the forum exist on extra donations ; "The Foundation Internet sites costs are all donated by various members and friends."

There may be more than a thousand members for all I know.

And for $20,000 a year Wag-Aero gets better support than the foundation community. Or they had to lay out big bucks to get that support.

Not for me. I'll keep my 20 bucks or send it to the forum owner.

[freightpilot27]

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Drude....

I researched some of your claims...
Confirmed & Agreed.

I'm done.

[ajfriz]

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I learned that it wouldn't be worth paying $20 (which is sad since it's such a small amount of money) because I couldn't even get info on a plane he was selling. Pretty bad when someone is begging to give you a few thousand dollars and you still won't return emails or phone calls...

[Forrest Barber]

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drude have you checked the reply to the one e-mail you sent back in Nov???

THAT e-mail address is gone .

Hi Dave:

Include TF# in subject area ; be more specific as to which drawings , each component has about 30 associated drawings. Purpose of request IE: for repair and restoration of BC12D 43533 ; ser#xxxx . It is real simple . be nice!!
----- Original Message -----
From: David Rude
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: question from foundation member #805


Hi Forrest I need to get some drawings (elevator & rudder, '46 bc12d).

Please tell me what I need to do to get copies.

Dave

AS TO WAG-AERO most of theirs is from Safe-Air Repair ; John Roscoe; he got some of them from me before the Foundation existed. This has been gong on for many years.... Wag-Aero has had my tail surfaces for at least four years , right after my visdit to Univair. IT has not been an easy task to get manufacturers to agree to produce parts.
we sure do not have 1000 PAID up members ; more like 500....

[Guest]

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drude have you checked the reply to the one e-mail you sent back in Nov???

THAT e-mail address is gone .

Hi Dave:

Include TF# in subject area ; be more specific as to which drawings , each component has about 30 associated drawings. Purpose of request IE: for repair and restoration of BC12D 43533 ; ser#xxxx . It is real simple . be nice!!
----- Original Message -----
From: David Rude
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: question from foundation member #805


Hi Forrest I need to get some drawings (elevator & rudder, '46 bc12d).

Please tell me what I need to do to get copies.

Dave

AS TO WAG-AERO most of theirs is from Safe-Air Repair ; John Roscoe; he got some of them from me before the Foundation existed. This has been gong on for many years.... Wag-Aero has had my tail surfaces for at least four years , right after my visdit to Univair. IT has not been an easy task to get manufacturers to agree to produce parts.
we sure do not have 1000 PAID up members ; more like 500....

Yes, your reply appeared in my email last night.

You found my email from September 2009? You're good.

Great, let's start again;

foundation member #805, need drawings to repair rudder & LH elevator for bc12d N43972, serial #7631. Drawings needed are 1) of the rudder assembly so as to assure proper shape, length, rib spacing and 2) of the LH elevator assembly for the same purposes as previously mentioned.

Probably 2 drawings best I can tell.

Let me know what I owe you.

Dave

[lfries]

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Forrest, any chance you have replied to me on the Damin 337 and I haven't got it.