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  • Question on sale of A/C into Canada

    Hello tribe, I have a buyer for the project plane I was selling coming down from Quebec in a couple weeks to pick it up, sold through ebay, and he's put a large deposit down via Paypal.
    Is the US form 2120-0042 Aircraft Bill of Sale sufficient along with copies of the ebay listing and sale info, or do I need to provide him some kind of Canadian government form(s) as well?
    Anyone got any experience out there doing this?
    The plane I'm selling him is currently US reg'd, but non-flying, so it will be going back on a trailer.

    Tks.

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    Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

    Originally posted by pasture_pilot View Post
    Hello tribe, I have a buyer for the project plane I was selling coming down from Quebec in a couple weeks to pick it up, sold through ebay, and he's put a large deposit down via Paypal.
    Is the US form 2120-0042 Aircraft Bill of Sale sufficient along with copies of the ebay listing and sale info, or do I need to provide him some kind of Canadian government form(s) as well?
    Anyone got any experience out there doing this?
    The plane I'm selling him is currently US reg'd, but non-flying, so it will be going back on a trailer.

    Tks.
    I think that is all that is needed on your end of things. The paperwork burden will primarily be on him. Hopefully he is informing himself of the requirements. I don't know how it works with Canada but with some countries you need to get an airworthiness certificate of export (Not sure what it's called) that a DAR has to fill out.

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      Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

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      • #4
        Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

        As "Fear" stated the burden is the buyers.

        The link describes the Export C of A ; which is similar to an Annual but with

        other unique provisions. It would involve FAA & MOT (?) inspections as well.

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        • #5
          Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

          You are going to have to de-register your aircraft in order for him to import it into Canada.

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          • #6
            Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

            Hello tribe, appreciate the replies. I figured on sending the sale/de-registeration note to the FAA... AFTER the money changes hands. So far all I have is a good size deposit...(something I have found useful in the past selling other things like classic cars, helps when one is trying to sort the serious from the dreamers)

            He's got some work ahead of him yet before he'll be flying.

            Just curious, does the strut AD we have here also affect the planes in Canada?

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            • #7
              Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

              Is this aircraft going from USA to Canada the wrighting is confusing.
              IF from Canada to US I dont know anything.
              If from US to Canada :
              The aircraft has to have a confomety inspection!
              It has to conform to the specs on the type certicat and all AD's.
              All Ad'S ISSUED TO THE TYPE ( US and other countrys) AD's are to be followed in Canada.
              All modefication has to be dune according to a STC .
              Anything not in order has to repired or changed or you dont fly.
              A VERY THROUROGH PRE BY INSPECTION IN US WILL PAY OFF.
              A low cost Cardinal bought for 35 K US cost 30K plus when it crossed the bourder. 9 K WAS TAX.
              A T18 Thorp, a shop stopper went through no problem.
              They dont seams to to hard on homebuilts.
              Heared of a similar case in Calgary
              A C150 Aerobat had to have some work dune to it, a Canadain issued AD was one, cost was resinable.
              I loved airplane seens I was a kid.
              The T- craft # 1 aircraft for me.
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                Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                The Conformity Inspection is part of a " Export Certificate of Airworthiness".

                It is NOT intended for "Project" aircraft on a trailer.

                Think of it as a "Super Annual".

                1. A & P (IA) does inspection.

                2. FAA (or DAR) then inspects aircraft as well.

                3. The Canadians (MOT?) then do a Acceptance Type Inspection.

                You REALLY do not want a problem between 2 & 3.

                Paperwork for the Export C of A must be in First Class Condition or

                steps 1-3 will not happen.

                Aircraft had to be weighed if the previous weighing was more than a couple years old.

                US Registration markings have to be removed & Canadian markings applied.



                Trailer aircraft can leave the US in thoroughly disassembled , Un-Airworthy condition.

                All of the airworthiness issues are addressed during the Canadian licensing .

                The term for this was IRAN or ITRAN ( Insp & repair as necessary) or similar.


                Ex C of A

                Aircraft that are really in "Airworthy" condition generally have few problems.

                Unauthorized "Mods" can be the biggest problem.

                A non OEM, non PMA Fiberglass cowling in place of aluminum would be an example.

                Do not be intimidated by either process.

                You get the opportunity to meet some nice folks.

                Eh!

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                • #9
                  Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                  Hi.
                  I concur with magman. An export Airworthiness Certificate may be required, Then an Airworthiness Certificate from Canada. FAA Home, designee reference library may shed light on this. I suggest, completing the paperwork first. If the airplane is sold as is, then there's no work required by present owner. If sold as standard the TCDS must be complied with. Since this Aircraft now falls under the sport aircraft also, Similar Canadian regulations would apply. All AD's must be complied with prior to flight regardless of location for airworthiness certificate. These are safety of flight issues, they will protect life and property, no authority would disregard this. If you need more help post it, and tonight. I'll research it on the FAA web site. It could minimize headaches if, the paper trail was cleared prior to relocating it. Being an airplane fanatic, I would just want my Tbird. Good Luck

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                  • #10
                    Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                    Hello tribe, appreciate the helpful comments.
                    I called AOPA today, and according to them, on my end all that is needed is the std FAA form bill of sale, and send in the amended registeration form listing the new owner and select the box that says a/c exported, nothing else on my part.
                    This plane was sold via ebay, it is a non-flying non running project. A/C will be deregistered after the money changes hands. No point in deregistering if he drives down then changes his mind.
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                    Last edited by pasture_pilot; 05-24-2010, 20:45. Reason: spelling

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                    • #11
                      Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                      Hi
                      Your requirements are only the bill of sale. The airplane requirements are a little different. This will be the new owners responsibility.For export Cof A. tcds should reflect serial no's eligible for export under standard category. Then it can be presented to the particular country's Aviation Authority. I have had and at present have, some airworthy airplanes that were imported from Europe, buyers cannot get an airworthiness certificate under standard category since these aircraft weren't included in the for export airworthiness certificate based on s/n and tcds. They cannot carry passengers for hire, be used commercially. They can be flown in the experimental or possibly the restricted category. For your information only. I don't think they'll change their mind it looks like a nice project. Recently dealt with the sale of a DG505 glider to Canada, had to do a 3000hr inspection, and countless e mails to complete my client's transaction. In all it's doable, and buyer's responsibility, based on their plans for the bird.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                        Hey guys,guy I know do alot of aircraft buying from us to canada,maybe
                        get ahold of him,he run flite trainning school, you can find him at
                        harvair.ca the man name is harv,nice guy he will let you know what too do
                        he outa steinbach manitoba canada

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                          Re: Question on sale of A/C into Canada

                          I know guy that do alot of aircraft buying from us to canada

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