Harry's STILL at the factory

[NY86]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Whoever wants to take the lead on this may want to check out this blog criticizing Eclipse Aviation. There's a "create blog" link at the top of the page to start your own.

That said, I hear a lot of moaning about how the FAA or your Senators are non-responsive. Personally, I'm not surprised. What we have here is a plain vanilla civil action. That's how it should be pursued. And it escapes me how one creditor thinks they can come in, take over, and simply brush aside former commitments. Everyone who lost money should band together and start a class action suit.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a written committment or receipt for their deposit moneys?

That's my story and I've got no dog in the fight...

[jstall]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Whoever wants to take the lead on this may want to check out this blog criticizing Eclipse Aviation. There's a "create blog" link at the top of the page to start your own.

That said, I hear a lot of moaning about how the FAA or your Senators are non-responsive. Personally, I'm not surprised. What we have here is a plain vanilla civil action. That's how it should be pursued. And it escapes me how one creditor thinks they can come in, take over, and simply brush aside former commitments. Everyone who lost money should band together and start a class action suit.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a written committment or receipt for their deposit moneys?

That's my story and I've got no dog in the fight...

YES, I HAVE BOTH CANCELED CHECK AND THE INVOICE THAT I PAID FROM $3649.00 WHICH INCLUDED SALES TAX AND SHIPPING

JS

[Aircraftman1]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Well, ITS BEEN 6 DAYS AND NOTHING!!!... ONCE AGAIN. this whole deal has died on the vine!... Looks like everyone here just gets their kicks running their head, and talking like they are going to do something... and ONCE AGAIN, NOTHINGS happening ,except all of ya'll running your head!!!!! ... all talk and no action!!!!,, No wonder Harry has lead every one down a long, curvy road and screwed everyone!... all ya'll do is BITCH and COMPLAIN, but when its time to step up to the plate, and actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you fail miserably!... looks like Harry's figured all ya'll out a long time ago!... I dont give a damn if I piss all of you off or not! HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE TO LET HARRY SCREW EVERYBODY, AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT?????? BOB THE INTERIOR MAN, WHO IS SICK TO DEATH OF YA'LL WHINING NON STOP AND ULTIMATELY DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.. How about everyone just shutting up,, and taking your screwing????? You obviously all like it! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU???????????

[Ron Coleman]

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Hi Bob....

I mulled over your thoughtful analysis of the current status of action by the members of the Taylorcraft Forum and was impressed by the depth of understanding and wisdom you exhibited. I was moved by your clear, concise and elequent recommendations to the members. I feel that we should promote a closer kinship. Perhaps if you are ever in the neighborhood we could recreate a little. Maybe go fishing or play catch. I'll toss some balls to you and you can catch one or two.

aiin't we got fun?
RonC

[Aircraftman1]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Ron Coleman... "Mr Condensending"... You are right, I DO KNOW what is going on!... Why not try and direct your attention to what HARRY HAS BEEN DOING, other than ME pointing out that there is NO ONE ultimately doing really anything about it, except complaning?...

Since you are obviously so superior, and informed, Please tell us what is going on about it?

After reading my post, written in frustration after seeing no correspondance for a week about it, I agree I was too harsh, and for that I apoligise... Ive watched Harry (In my opinion, legalese) for YEARS, ripping people off with impunity, and am sick of it!... Bob

[VictorBravo]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

I'll toss some balls to you and you can catch one or two.

Make sure to pull the pin out of the ball before you toss it ... Just kidding Bob

[VictorBravo]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

For all of us except the guys who lost money I would think that the warning letter is the first thing to work on as it is 100% sure to achieve a goal.

Therefore, my first question is does anyone know of a mailing service that could do the job for us at a reasonable price?

There are plenty of them all around most cities. The "Warning letter" can simply be a one page flyer folded and stapled, bulk mailed at a reduced rate, with no need to spend money on envelopes. I think that's where the mailing companies usually earn their keep, sorting the mail for bulk, having the Pitney-Bowes machine to put the postage on, etc.

Someone can simply do a Google search on bulk mail companies, this can all be done electronically now without any running around, folding, licking stamps, etc. so you can compare prices. If some company in Wyoming can do it more cost efficiently than a company in Los Angeles, all it takes is to e-mail the document to Wyoming... we don't have to get into covered wagons and start singing campfire songs!

[VictorBravo]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Two bulk mail houses here in LA:

http://www.meyerandson.com/

http://www.theaddressers.com/

Here is some info from http://bulkmail.info/presort.html :

"There are various levels of savings depending on how much how much of the postal service's work you are willing to do.

Doing the least amount of work, the postage for a typical one-ounce letter (or card, tri-fold, etc.) would range from 21.6¢ to 26¢ using Standard Class, compared with 42¢ for regular First Class mail. (we could do a postcard too which may be even less, Bill)

There are much greater discounts if you are a nonprofit organization and have received approval from the USPS to mail at nonprofit prices. The nonprofit price for the same piece of mail using Standard Class would range from 11.8¢ to 16.2 cents."

So if the Foundation is willing to do this, which by all rights they should, then a lot of money can be saved. There may be legitimate reasons (or even other reasons perhaps) that the Foundation would not participate, but if the Foundation members insist on it then money can be saved.

Speaking only for myself, I cannot imagine a more legitimate activity for the Foundation than to inform the Taylorcraft community about this issue.

Sixteen cents times three thousand addresses is less than $500. The printing, addressing and folding should be somewhere around that amount too as a guess, so the total might come in at less than a grand.

Divide that among 100 or so "concerned enthusiasts" on this group...

Like I said I will cheerfully do my part (or step aside and let someone else write the thing), the question is now what Bob the Interior Man so appropriately brought up. Who else is disgusted enough to do THEIR part?

[jstall]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Financially I'll chip in, as far as who would get the letter drafted and printed?
well, if it is to be mailed by the foundation, then I would assume they would
have to get that done, If I had a mailing list, and had the backing here
I could get it done, that 50% or more savings thru the foundation is the key here 25 to 30 cents per letter excluding the purchase of the envelopes
and printing could get expensive. Back when I was in the CATV business
I would send mailers from time to time and would purchase windowed envelopes with postage on them, wife and I would stuff those with the inside address to show if you folded it correctly.

JS
Alva, Ok

[jstall]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Two bulk mail houses here in LA:

http://www.meyerandson.com/

http://www.theaddressers.com/

Here is some info from http://bulkmail.info/presort.html :

"There are various levels of savings depending on how much how much of the postal service's work you are willing to do.

Doing the least amount of work, the postage for a typical one-ounce letter (or card, tri-fold, etc.) would range from 21.6¢ to 26¢ using Standard Class, compared with 42¢ for regular First Class mail. (we could do a postcard too which may be even less, Bill)

There are much greater discounts if you are a nonprofit organization and have received approval from the USPS to mail at nonprofit prices. The nonprofit price for the same piece of mail using Standard Class would range from 11.8¢ to 16.2 cents."

So if the Foundation is willing to do this, which by all rights they should, then a lot of money can be saved. There may be legitimate reasons (or even other reasons perhaps) that the Foundation would not participate, but if the Foundation members insist on it then money can be saved.

Speaking only for myself, I cannot imagine a more legitimate activity for the Foundation than to inform the Taylorcraft community about this issue.

Sixteen cents times three thousand addresses is less than $500. The printing, addressing and folding should be somewhere around that amount too as a guess, so the total might come in at less than a grand.

Divide that among 100 or so "concerned enthusiasts" on this group...

Like I said I will cheerfully do my part (or step aside and let someone else write the thing), the question is now what Bob the Interior Man so appropriately brought up. Who else is disgusted enough to do THEIR part?

Ya Bill: I think you are pretty well on for the price, and if we could get 100
helpers on this that is only 10 bucks no big deal, I'd even go 100.00 on it

Hummmmm would I need to send cash, or do it with a card??? "GRIN"
no just kidding, but the last time I sent cash it cost me dearly

JS

[jstall]

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There are plenty of them all around most cities. The "Warning letter" can simply be a one page flyer folded and stapled, bulk mailed at a reduced rate, with no need to spend money on envelopes. I think that's where the mailing companies usually earn their keep, sorting the mail for bulk, having the Pitney-Bowes machine to put the postage on, etc.

Someone can simply do a Google search on bulk mail companies, this can all be done electronically now without any running around, folding, licking stamps, etc. so you can compare prices. If some company in Wyoming can do it more cost efficiently than a company in Los Angeles, all it takes is to e-mail the document to Wyoming... we don't have to get into covered wagons and start singing campfire songs!

GREAT IDEA, DIDN'T READ THIS BEFORE I QUOTE IN THE NEXT PAGE
VERY GOOD IDEA,

[jstall]

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Just wondering?? Does anyone have any information on how many folks
were like me?? Actually lost cash? I only know of one particular example
where one guys credit card company did loose, but have not heard of any other example. Most of what I see has happened in the distanct past

Doesn't make any difference just was wondering if we had any actual data on this.

JS

[Aircraftman1]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

Hey guy's Im glad the ball is rolling again!.. I would be happy to do anything to help, in anyway!.. who do I send money to, to help with the expenses?.. Bob the interior man.

[Ron Coleman]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

hey ron,, is there anything you are planning on doing to help nail Harry?.. HUHH???? I think your SMART ASS, AROGENT AND CONDENSENDING REPLY TO ME WAS BULLSHIT! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE RESPONDING TO ME LIKE THAT????? YOU GOT A BIG MOUTH ,SPORT!,
BOB THE INTERIOR MAN

[DanBrown]

Re: Harry's STILL at the factory

I have the names and addresses of the T-Craft owners in a MS Access database and can generate mail labels or mail merge names and addresses into a Word document. Why haven't we heard from the foundation about willingness to do the bulk mailing? Even with a disclaimer in the mailing that the letter is the opinion of a group of members and doesn't represent the official position of the foundation? I would be willing to contribute $50 or a set of printed labels.