Is Harry in jail YET??

[Buell Powell]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Bill,
That is really some very interesting history. Is there a way that you can send a link or something so we can read it before someone hacked into it. I would like to print it off but I am sure an original version would be best. Very good writing!--hope you catch whoever is hacking in and changing it-isn't that illeagle?

[flyguy]

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An article on Harry. Listing only factual information on his endeavors. Eeeewww that's bad. LOL.
DC

[VictorBravo]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Can any high-end computer experts out there figure out who has been fooling around with this Wikipedia article? I have a couple of very strong suspicions but it would be really good if someone can get to the bottom of it. I recall a lot of what someone else wrote had the same questionable dishonest "flavor" as the Tayorcraft.com website.

Last year I attempted several times to correct and factualize the article for the benefit of historical relevance, truth, justice, and the American Way.

All five or six times someone else came in and removed some or all of what I had written.

I contacted Wikipedia about "vandalism" and they had nothing of any value to say, which harmed Wikipedia's credibility in my book.

Now the Taylorcraft article has some of what I wrote, and a lot of what someone else wrote. Most of it is at least not dis-information or wholly inaccurate, however a lot of juicy details that would interest readers have been omitted.

Any time I wrote something I signed my name in the log and would stand behind it. The person or people who vandalized it (after I wrote stuff that I honestly believe the T-craft community would support) never signed their name or stood behind what they wrote.

I'm sure that there is some electronic Ninja reading this who could figure out who was vandalizing the Wikipedia page, and who took it upon themselves to hijack it.

Does anyone have a photo of Harry Ingram? I would like to volunteer to create a Wikipedia article, on this important historical figure in in the American business world.

[jstall]

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HERE YA GO

BUILDUP TO A DISASTER-------------CHECK THIS OUT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorcraft_Aircraft

[jstall]

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LETS SEE

TO SUM IT UP

At least 5 airplane rebuilds-all money paid up front on most
Parts from them end up missing and ?
Several very large deposits for new planes
No rent expense
Employee expense cut by not paying some
Strut kits sold for 3650.00 each w/shipping--pure profit

Company name transfered and all liability's wiped clean
Sell parts and struts
Either sell company for 3/4 Mil or ?

GOOD MONEY IF YOU ARE A CROOK

SAME AS A BANK ROBBER OR EXTORSIONIST

[jstall]

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Well?? Thats A Good Idea, But Don't Thank A Bank Can Do That Now, That Was Over 6 Months Ago, Check Cleared Within 7 Days Of Issuance,

Had I Had Any Idea As To What Kinda Snake I Was Dealing With I Would Have Stopped Payment On It, But Harry Didn't Waist Any Time At All Running It Thru, He Also Did The Same With Some Credit Card Deals, Of Which The Cardholders Ended Up Not Having To Pay On, But The Card Companies Took The Hit, I'm Kinda Surprised That
Those Card Compainies Haven't Gone After Taylorcraft And Harry

They Would Have The Clout, Most Being Large Banks And Such

Js

[btbell]

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DAVE, I'VE GOT INVOICE, CASHED CHECK, AND TONS OF PAPERS INCLUDING EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, LETTERS "CERTIFIED" TO EVERYONE
FAA, HARRY DBA TAYLORCRAFT AVIATION, SCOT RUFFNER, YOU NAME IT AND I'VE GOT IT,

STILL NO PARTS

JS,

Try your bank and ask them to reverse the check fo failure to receive goods...mention fraud in the conversation....it may not work but another angle to use...

Brian

[jstall]

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Again

Very Well Put Bill

Js

[jstall]

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I was contacted by the factory and was told that all the dealings with Harry was with Harry and that thay had no part in that and that thay were sory but have a nice day .

BULL SHIT

THEY WERE WITH HARRY IN THE BACKGROUND ALL ALONG, THATS TOTAL
BS

JS

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

So where are you at on this thing with Harry? Do we need to ask for the people that got taken to sign a post with documentation I have an invoice and email from Harry, let me know what I can do just. A note, the struts that were built by D&E were built with steel that I payed for. [email protected]

DAVE, I'VE GOT INVOICE, CASHED CHECK, AND TONS OF PAPERS INCLUDING EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, LETTERS "CERTIFIED" TO EVERYONE
FAA, HARRY DBA TAYLORCRAFT AVIATION, SCOT RUFFNER, YOU NAME IT AND I'VE GOT IT,

STILL NO PARTS

[VictorBravo]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

I was contacted by the factory and was told that all the dealings with Harry was with Harry and that thay had no part in that and that thay were sory but have a nice day .

But if Harry is still there, then the D&E people are NOT separate form him! It's one thing to claim that your dealings with Harry are separate because he is no longer part of the organization. But if he is still in the other room working for the company, then he is still involved.

If you go into a store, buy something, then come back to return it for a refund... the store cannot say that they won't refund your money even if they DID fire the salesman that sold it to you.

But if the same !(#$*% salesman has simply been transferred to the Garden Department... the store has less than zero right to not refund your money.

I have no idea what has possessed D&E Aircraft to behave this way. Does anyone know the answer?

They apparently had some kind of reputation for being decent people, but now they are behaving very poorly on more than one level. This attitude on their part, the attitude of "sorry, tough s**t" is bad enough, but to say "not only tough s**t, but we're still having the guy who screwed you here as part of the team", well now that is pretty bad. It tells me more than I want to know about Harvey Patrick or anyone running the show there for him.

Like any good old gray haired flight examiner will tell you... "an honest mistake is one thing, that I usually won't hold against you... but showing me that you exercised poor judgment, not caring that you showed poor judgment, and saying you would use the same poor judgment again... is ample grounds to bust a checkride. It tells me a lot about whether I can trust you in command of an aircraft."

[David Robbs]

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I was contacted by the factory and was told that all the dealings with Harry was with Harry and that thay had no part in that and that thay were sory but have a nice day .

[David Robbs]

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So where are you at on this thing with Harry? Do we need to ask for the people that got taken to sign a post with documentation I have an invoice and email from Harry, let me know what I can do just. A note, the struts that were built by D&E were built with steel that I payed for. [email protected]

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Tom,

No need to pay an attorney to file a police report. Anyway, no local agency where you live is going to 'investigate' a crime hundreds of miles away. Hence, a Federal Agency that would need to be involved. Hope things ultimately work out for you.

Marty:

Toms attorney was in Brownsville, Tom lives on east coast, but retained a local attorney in Brownsville for this action.

JS

[M Towsley]

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Tom,

No need to pay an attorney to file a police report. Anyway, no local agency where you live is going to 'investigate' a crime hundreds of miles away. Hence, a Federal Agency that would need to be involved. Hope things ultimately work out for you.