Is Harry in jail YET??

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

SAGA OF A DISASTER

You see folks, what I'm really torked off about is that I was lied to by the FAA inspector that was in charge of standards at Harrys operation. He is quoted as telling me that therewere 10 employees there building struts as we spoke, all welders were approved welders, "NOT CERTIFIED HOWEVER", and that all there was above board, all parts legal and the Taylorcraft factory had authorization to build those parts, "OF WHICH WE FIND LATER THAT THEY DIDN'T" or at least not totally approved. Next then when Harry didn't produce my parts or for that matter anyones parts, he also communicated that there was a small problem with some of the tubing, and so they had inspected again, and approve the use of that tubing. Next Harry tells a fellow crafter that he had new tubing on the way and would be building struts within a week, it went on and on. It was what Mr Perez said that helped sway me toward doing business with Harry initially, as I had contacted the MIDO in charge of Taylorcraft to originally research what was really going on there, in an attempt to qualify their production status etc. and to help put to bed my reservations about Harry. Had I gotten the truth about it I would have had time to not do the deal in the first place, thence later on to at least follow up at an earlier time and get money back, but? as a result I got bogus information I subsequently got screwed, sooooo as far as I'm concerned the FAA was involved with my loss whether they like it or not. Its disturbing that we have a government agency/administration that is "OUR EMPLOYEE" thats function is to keep the airways and aircraft of this nation safe, and to exhibit the highest standards of integrity. That just wasn't maintained in this case. No the whole FAA isn't corrupt, but there are factions in there that are. This inspector is now retired and to my knowledge is a DMI in that area and still could be involved with Taylorcraft Factory, not sure on that, but if he is, makes it stink even worse. Then to add insult to injury, in an attempt to get the straight scoop from the FAA and get some pressure applied on Harry to get of his can and get me some parts or at least on the top of the list, I contact my Senator, and all he gets back is a 4 page letter about how well the FAA is doing their job, how creditable Taylorcraft is, and how they have the authority to build those parts on and on and "How hard of a person I am to work with". Ya I'm miffed.

JS

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Point well taken, I agree, its not the A/C's fault that it fell ancestor to
Harry, but considering all the recent attached crap, the purchase of mine 3 years ago has become less fun, just kinda took the wind out of the sail so to speak. I agree, for the price and performance, they are about the best out there for the dollar value even given the recent history. What I'm really afraid of it what might come next, I mean a rash of stuff put out by profit
orientated criminals that apparently the FAA will buy into. thats what has my attention and some other operators as well.

JS

[lfries]

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JS Hate Harry not the AC. 17 years of ownership has cost me less than 500 per year for AD compliance, repairs and maintenance. 2,000 for new struts and 4,000 for repairs that shouldn't have been needed. (My fault). Take those out and the cost goes way down per year. Its cost me way more to keep her in a hangar over the years than to keep her airworthy.

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

And one more thing and then I'll shut up. Ladies and Gents,, I strongly believe that there is a very good possiblity that we will see another S/B or A/D engineered against our A/C in the relative near future, for the general
purpose of profit for a defunct company. The most recent deal is just exactly that, and now we know also that the cart "REPLICA" or what the heck it was was that crashed Wiley was not even liscensed under the T/C it was experimental.

Real deal folks

JS

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Those of you considering talking to the media might contact Meg Godlewski at General Aviation News. She's done a couple of articles on Harry, and interviewed me for one of them back in 2004. I'm pretty sure she's registered as a user of this forum as well.

She has been contacted. and recently sent some file data, I haven't heard anything back, she is probably at SUN N FUN or wherever, or maybe not interested anymore

JS

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Trust me that thought has crossed my mind, but got to pass on that as all that would do is get me in jail, and Harry a black eye, the whole deal is just a bad dream real bad dream

It has taken the wind out of my sail for sure, even considering the BC-12D
just not as much fun now, and all, been a very bad trip gentlemen

JS

[CraigH]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Those of you considering talking to the media might contact Meg Godlewski at General Aviation News. She's done a couple of articles on Harry, and interviewed me for one of them back in 2004. I'm pretty sure she's registered as a user of this forum as well.

[NY86]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

...If one takes over a company that has not filed bankruptcy are they not taking over the commitments of the previous owner?

Indeed!

You cannot reposses an entire company, only those assets you have a legitimate lean on. Obviously, no new struts and no customer deposits fall into that category. The only other option is to force the company into bankrupcy then take your chances with the judge. As such all those who paid in advance would be in the creditor pool along with the guys who (think they) now have all the assets...

On the other hand, if Harry was just managing the operation for them, then they can roll in and take over lock stock and barrel... and obligations...

'Course, I'm not an expert either...

What amazes me is those of you who have been burned have not gone down there with a bunch of guys named Guido and straightened things out...

[M Towsley]

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JS,

Along the lines of the credit card issue, most companies won't touch a loss until it is in the range of $5,000.00 to $10,000.00 loss for each INDIVIDUAL transaction. Most banks are the same way. They just pass the cost onto you and me. Apparently it is not worth their time and effort. I know this to be the truth, again, through experience. Though not through my loss, just investigating others' losses.

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Dan

That is interesting information, and I'm not surprised at all either. In fact
I've got a connection back on the East coast that is a retired FAA guy that is now a DMI, that looked into Taylorcraft for me, and turned up some real interesting info, that he or "HIS SOURCE" who of which was still in the administration, got for him thru the FAA data bases and computers. The comment was "WELL LETS PUT IT THIS WAY? IT KINDA STINKS" SOMETHING WRONG, that is what was said about the inspections that are to be done down there. At that time there was no record that Taylorcraft had passed or had been inspected in accordance with the law and rules for that facility. I asked the inspector in charge of Taylorcraft at the time and he denied that, and said it had been, either way, there was no record, and according to my source that isn't the way its done. That was all the comment I could get, and couldn't get the sources name, I do have the DMI's name but must withhold it, seems that everyone is afraid of the FAA
kinda like its some Gestapo type of organization. Upsetting for a taxpayer to think that Government Administrations/agencies can treat the public like this and get a way with it, but from what I've seen lately that is exactly what happens, they don't appear to be accountable to the public, only large special interest groups with large lobby power in Washington.

I'll give so thought to this, I've got about 30 pages of assembled info, and data, reflecting my experience with this, so it wouldn't take to long to get that together for about the 8th time now, and forward that to them. However it would be nice to have a "GROUP OF US DO IT" and not just a standalone individual, that has been making waves now for almost 8 months.
Most of those MIDO's that have heard from me would write it off kinda like they did with my Senator.

JS

[DanBrown]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Last night I had a brief talk with a retired FAA person about Harry and the strut AD (she was glad to be out as she felt the agency is corrupt). She felt that our saga should go to the people investigating the FAA. Also to the AOPA for help in doing something about Harry and bunch. So it seems that a historical fact sheet with a request for investigation should go to:
FAA Flight Safety
Inspector General
Congressional Aviation Committees
AOPA
EAA
Media (especially the investigative reporters)

[jstall]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Well the work or term "JERK" wasn't actually used, but if one would read the response that the FAA gave to Senator Inholf, it sure portrayed me as kinda a loosed ended person, that wasn't very cooperative with the FAA, and was very hard to work with. Just the typical GOVERNEMENT bureauacy covering itself, business as usual.

This deal has been expensive, exhausting, and just bad all the way, and yes, to a degree it's my own fault, cause I was aware to a degree as to the reputation of Harry and Taylorcraft, but when I placed the order?? well he
just smoothed me I guess, amazing, guess I'm not the only one either. I could be the only one that actually lost personal cash. Most of the others were credit card deals inwhich the card companies lost, I'm surprised they haven't done something

JS

[flyguy]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

Of course, everyone you mention above is a politician and has nothing to gain by helping you with your problem, just as Marty said.

I suspect that even that "Motor Co." that is going after HARRY is making a mistake. LLC, that is likely to isolate him. Not an expert on that. But I think that the guys who took over may have screwed up, I don't know.

Oh, and being a trusting person and exhibiting some bad business judgement doesn't make anyone a jerk, regardless of what the FAA says.
DC

[jstall]

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Yes Mike

I contacted the D.A.'s Office Cameron Co Texas, no joy, next the Cameron Co Sheriffs office to see if someone could go out and see if the place was operating, "no joy" I contacted the Attorney Generals Office State of Texas, did get a reply but "no joy" nothing. then went to Jim Inholf, and he went into the FAA, he got a 4 page letter, that outllined me as a jerk. again "no joy" so, attempts have been made, system doesn't work

JS

[flyguy]

Re: Is Harry in jail YET??

I wonder how many of those parts were used to build the factory "prototype."

To continue my previous line of thought: Personally I would think one would want to forget Harry, and concentrate on the company. It is not for nothing that companies are incorporated. LLC is just a more simple version of Inc., right? Again I don't think that a company can come in and take over a business and consider themselves isolated from previous commitments of legal representatives of the original organization. If they haven't taken some legal steps to isolate themselves, then they are the same company, regardless of who the officers are. Like the man says, go after them. Small claims sounds efficient. Doing it as a group with one legal representative may work. Use the part of the system that works. Organize a list of everyone who lost money and pull together.
DC