Call From Factory...

[jstall]

Re: Call From Factory...

Sincerely, I'm not trying to stir the pot in this post, or piss off anyone, but there is a question that needs to be answered publicly by D&E Aircraft, now more than ever.

Why has D&E Aircraft not stepped forward and announced what their relationship with Taylorcraft was/is... and what reason can they give for not saying anything until this point?

An answer along the lines of ... "we had no idea that there was a problem, or that Harry Ingram was unable and unwilling to do business legitimately" will not fly with me and it should not fly with you guys. There is very very little chance that anyone involved in Taylorcraft airplanes or parts does not know what has been going on, and the number of people who are questioning anything in Brownsville.

I'm having trouble thinking of any legitimate answer OTHER than "we just bought into the company last week". From what I've heard they have been involved for some time, which is why the question above is so important to resolve before we jump on any new bandwagons.

I REALLY do hope that D&E are good guys, and straight shooters, and not in cahoots with or supportive of Harry on any level. If that is true, I will support them sincerely. But IMHO they have GOT to know that the situation they are stepping into will require them to make some bold and fully backed up statements distancing themselves from what has gone on before.

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Ya, I have had the same feelings also Bill, but at this point, I''ve got nothing else to hang on, my money is there, and spent, and so far I've not had any luck at all with authorites in the area wanting to help, its a hopeless deal, frankly?? I"ve never in my 62 years seen anything quite like it, and after being in the a/c sales business for 10 years you see alot of "THINGS"
won't elaborate? I just hope it works out, and I can get my stuff
then I'll have them X-RAYED, and then decide what next, for now my stock struts are fine, and probably will be for as long as I fly the plane.

JS

[Forrest Barber]

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I will try to keep you all posted. I will unlock or start a new thread on the factory, probably a new one. TODAY , I talked with Charlie Vogelsong at Dillsburg Aero, YES Charlie still answering phones at age 90.
He confirmed that he got the check for an order of 4130 streamlined 3.372/ .049 & 2.360/ .049 from Taylorcraft and will ship ASAP.

I talked with Andy McAnaul, he is pleased that the initial inspections of the A-A11 strut attach fittings are showing no corrosion so far. I believe that the NPRM will be along real soon, it is under review now. I furthur believe that it will remain a ONE time inspection.
I put a call into Arlen Euler (sp) the FAA oversight inspector at the factory.
I called Steve Cooner and his son-in-law Scott , they were busy sorting out, he discussed a few things. They seem to be very sincere, as to an explanation, that is their business; Steve's uncle is Harvey Patrick , Mr. Patrick is past age 80. HE put up all the money for the purchase of Taylorcraft way back from Lee Booth, et. al. ; then SOLD it to Harry Ingram.
I feel that perhaps Mr. Patrick never got all his money. He is merely protecting his investment with each new infusion of money. The buy back from the Sheriff's sale, etc... To the best of my knowledge , Harry Ingram and his family did indeed put up their own money for the original investment he does have a very high stake in this situation.
I probably said more than I should have said but I have been about to explode at times with confidential information that I keep that way from NTSB, FAA, the old Safe-Air Repair, Univair, Wag-Aero, Airframes, and a few members of the TF too! I hope my hard drive stays intact. bye for now.
WHEN Steve is ready , we are here to assist.

[tawadc95]

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what if his name is not really Harry Ingram and has duped us on that too!
he could actually be comrade Dobjobovnik or something similar.

[jstall]

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what if his name is not really Harry Ingram and has duped us on that too!
he could actually be comrade Dobjobovnik or something similar.

OHOOO ouch, alias DBA, that also could be, why not, thence he could just
change the name and go do another scam, maybe next one will be selling
siding for houses to little old ladies

[VictorBravo]

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OHOOO ouch, alias DBA,
maybe next one will be selling siding for houses to little old ladies

Now you got me worried about that bridge I just bought last week from a nice guy... said his name was Clyde Clapsaddle.

[jstall]

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Now you got me worried about that bridge I just bought last week from a nice guy... said his name was Clyde Clapsaddle.

Thats rich, LAUGHING HARD NOW Clyde Clapsaddle, thats good!!

JS

[tawadc95]

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Bill, I think you bought a bridge from a guy who is using the name of a disease for an alias

[Tim Haake]

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The "Call from Factory" thread is an appropriate name. Sounds like two people have gotten a call so far. Hmmmmm. A real effort here?? I ordered and paid via credit card a set of struts months ago and after I got tired of all the lies I went through the process and got it removed from my card. Returned the email invoice and said cancel my order.

Now so far I have not gotten a call from anyone.

Tim

[tabranch]

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The "Call from Factory" thread is an appropriate name. Sounds like two people have gotten a call so far. Hmmmmm. A real effort here?? I ordered and paid via credit card a set of struts months ago and after I got tired of all the lies I went through the process and got it removed from my card. Returned the email invoice and said cancel my order.

Now so far I have not gotten a call from anyone.

Tim

"Scott" call twice last Saturday but did not leave a message. He called and talked to me Monday. I asked him how he got my name and he said the he was calling from a list of people who had ordered struts from the factory. I explained that I had ordered two sets (SK-100) of the complete strut kits on August 4th but after the AD grace period ran out I had my old struts x-rayed and now did not as urgently need new struts. I told him that I had sent Harry an e-mail asking to be put at the end of the list. Scott asked that I sen an e-mail listing any other parts I had ordered.

[Forrest Barber]

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I now know that the paper trail at Brownsville is not complete on parts ordered, sent, paid for, or on order. maybe resend your thoughts directly to the factory.

[Tom Garrick]

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Back when my lawsuit against Taylorcraft was still going on my lawyer told me that D&E Aircraft not only held the mortage on Harry but owned the type certificate. Mr Fleming also said that D&E were partners with Harry and was ready to prove it in court. At the last minute Harry cane up with the $35000 to cover the judgement we had against Taylorcraft. We had no reason then to go after D&E.

Tom

[flyguy]

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'tis a wicked, tangled web we weave. Looks like D&E may have grabbed hold on the tail of a rabid tiger. If it wasn't so irritating, depressing, and expensive, it would be pathetically funny.
DC

[crispy critter]

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Guys,let's not go after D&E. They are down there trying to sort through the mess. They are answering the phone and telling us straight. Let's give them and Mr.Patrick some time and when they have a plan they will let us know.

[Forrest Barber]

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Tom, your lawyer may have been right at one point in time.... check the TC now... back then Mr. Patrick's company "owned' the TC.
Now a company set up by Harry Ingram "owns" the 696 & 1A9 TC's. Kind of like our neighbors who "own" their home ; in my opinionn they will if they pay off the $450,000 mortage to the Bank.
Patty and I OWN the Barber Airport, lands ,buildings, and we own all the assets of Barber Aircraft Inc. we owe nothing just have to pay taxes till we die then the kids can figure out what to do.

[flyguy]

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Nothing derogatory meant against D&E. Even nice guys grab hold on tiger tails sometime. Personally I wish them lots of luck. I feel for them with Harry in the mix, that's all I was saying.

Guess I should not make cute literary references, sometimes they are misunderstood.
DC