Paperwork issues

[wadeclavin]

Hi!

I just bought a 46 bc12d that seems to be in decent shape but has some issues...

85 hp upgrade with sparce paperwork - a later owner bought the Harer stc but sparce paper work because it was so long ago- there is a notation in the logs from 1970 that it was modified for 85hp and gross wt increase per stc SAI-210 (see 337 this date)

cowling is lumpy

paint could use some work



Thanks

New Owner

[crispy critter]

Re: Paperwork issues

Depends on how much you paid for it......however, by the time you straighten that mess out to make it legal you will have a sore back-side....use plenty of ky jelly. Just kidding. The seats are not a big deal if your IA is willing to overlook them(most will not). I don't know about the fuel tank being removed from the fuslage but they done that on the later F-21's,this will probably be a big issue and will have to be put back the way it's supposed to be or you will have to spend the time and effort to get it approved and seeing how it was previously done it will be much harder to get approval because you or your mech did not do the work therefore you really can't state as to how or why all the changes were made.
ENGINE: Low time since major verses no data plate.....how do you know it's the same engine? You will need to run the case numbers thru the maker and pray that your engine matches up with the logs. One a certified airplane,you can have what looks to be an engine but if there is no data tag then you "don't" have an engine. You can always build an engine around a tag but you can't legally go the other way. If your case numbers check out with the logs then you can simply replace the data tag if your IA is willing to help you with that.
Good luck with it and let us know how it unfolds and/or if we can help in any way.

[whake]

Re: Paperwork issues

I would find an IA who is comfortable with his decisions, has a secure backround in fabric planes and discuss every aspect of that plane. If it has a good airframe and a good engine it should be worth the investment to bring it to original status. We are fortunate to have two IAs here in Venice who meet this requirement. One is building a Cub from a basket case, it is about ready to fly and will be better than new. The other is rebuilding a Taylorcraft and is working with me to replace my struts with Univair struts that should arrive the end of this week. I would like to have a Taylorcraft with a starter. If someone would come up with a mod for my A65 I would sure get in line.

[Garry Crookham]

Re: Paperwork issues

Timm

If it were my airplane, the first step I would take would be to obtain all the records the FAA has on your airplane and determine what has been approved. This will allow you to determine where you need to start your quest to clean up the paperwork. Having the Harer STC installed along with an A-65 shouldn't present a big problem. You will probably be required to operate at 1200 or 1280 lb gross weight.
The seat issue needs to be researched to find out if they have been approved. If not, and you want to make your airplane legal, you could install the original sling seat or attempt to have the existing seats approved via a field approval or one time STC.
A simple solution to the fuel tank problem is to install the nose tank per original.
The missing engine data plate might become a large issue depending on how your local A&P wants to handle it. Unfortunately, engine crankcases have no serial numbers (if it has been reworked by an approved shop it will have a work order number stamped on both case halves), and if they did it would not prove the engine matches the logbooks.
The best advise I can offer is to try to find an experienced A&P to work with you. Good luck.

Garry Crookham
N5112m
Tulsa

[marc]

Re: Paperwork issues

I know this plane it can made into a good plane i think i would realy look at it close and it can be a great plane if all fails go expermental.i will be in redmond on december 7 i will talk to some pepol down here and try to get some info to help you.i know a faa inspector down here and he mit give some info any ways good luck marc

[Falcon10]

Re: Paperwork issues

Wow !!!
I am going through some of the same issues. I bought my 1939 from Or.
I wonder if we had the same IA was signing off the annual's!! I have worked through most of my problems. Send me a private email and I will let you know how I am working through it.
Jim

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Paperwork issues

Hi Falcon 10 , whew yours was quite a story today on the phone. Send me that paperwork for review. the other fellow has a tale too! PLEASE advise people to have a GOOD pre-buy by someone who knows these airplanes....

[Falcon10]

Re: Paperwork issues

Forrest:
I looked it at a copy of the Harer STC today and it lists both bc and bc12d
So I am thinking that I can buy the Harer stc and omit the wing mods. The wings have 15 stamped ribbs so I think that she can handle the load. The next option would be to find a C75 and put that in her or even a C-65. Got any you might be willing to trade ? I made copys of my info and will send it out in the am.
Thanks again for all of the help.
Jim.

[barnstmr]

Re: Paperwork issues

Falcon10 and wadeclavin
If you need a DER, give me a shout. I may be able to help on the engine installation issues.

[Forrest Barber]

Re: Paperwork issues

I have reviewed Falcon 10's stuff, direct e-mail is being sent. WE have a lot of confusion on the Harer STC, my previous newsletter explains a lot, read it! There is another fellow that bought the STC for a 1938 taht will not be applicable till he upgrades his ship to the correct B status then apply the STC. I intend to travel to Bob Harer's home the first of the year and acquire the STC...