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    I put this idea out once before and didn't get any concrete responses. But there are valid questions that should be dealt with... so a new thread might hopefully put some heat under the issue.

    I'm not out to offend anyone (at least not right away), but the Taylorcraft owners deserve to know whose cards are where. Wake up guys, time to become more informed whether the information is pretty or not !

    Recently it became public record (and posted here) that a company called D&E Aircraft became a majority shareholder or owner of Taylorcraft. There are several things I feel are important to know or to ask:

    1. Why has D&E been silent and invisible, not coming forward, saying who they are and why they bought T-craft and what they are going to do to cure Cancer?

    2. Why have they been silent during all the recent strut issues? That's the big one.

    3. Is Harry Ingram still the owner of the type certificate or not... yes or no... and if not then why is D&E letting him be in a position to masquerade as the owner?

    4. What is the official and unofficial relationship between D&E and Ingram?

    5. How good a businessman/woman can D&E Aircraft be if they allow Ingram to still be the figurehead for the company, considering the bad blood surrounding him?

    Sincerely and honestly, I have no good or bad information about D&E. They may be "the good guy" riding in on the white horse. They may be Jim Bede. They may be straight shooters who love Taylorcrafts. If they do own the type certificate then by all rights they should stand up and say they do, and show who and what they are and want to do.

    The silence is deafening, and silence from them in this situation is not a good sign.

    A 100% legit, caring, and honest company should NOT be "sitting back and waiting for all the combatants on the battlefield to die off" before stepping forward. That's something that smells like sneaky instead of above boards. We all hope that the next owner of Taylorcraft will be better than the last, and assuming that D&E is the new owner it is time for them to introduce themselves.

    Can anyone and everyone who knows something about this please post what they know. NOT "more coming soon" or "time will tell", but facts and intentions and legal positions.
    Last edited by VictorBravo; 10-18-2007, 09:34.
    Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

    Bill Berle
    TF#693

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    Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

    In case someone is curious:



    Looks like the owner is having more than a bit of a rough time.

    DC

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    • #3
      Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

      sounds like Ernie is going to be down for awhile.

      His comments about the performance of the J-3 with T-Craft wings were interesting.

      Good luck Ernie, get well soon.
      Bob Gustafson
      NC43913
      TF#565

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        Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

        I have to make phone calls tomorrow, Ernie? the last I knew Steve Cooner, nephew of Harvey Patrick had the company. Mr. Patrick is over 80 and had rescued the Taylorcraft Factory way back, see the TC ownership chronology for
        ATC #1A9 or 696. away for a while again, changes to AD & SB are being fast tracked.
        Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
        Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
        TF#1
        www.BarberAircraft.com
        [email protected]

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        • #5
          Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

          I've known Ernie Heald for over 15 years, and know a whole bunch of good people that have known him for alot more than that.... he's always been more than honest and straight forward with me. If my memory serves me, he's always owned A&E, and D&E (I could be wrong about the D&E?). I've done business with him when he was in WA. He's retired FAA, and from back in the day that FAA inspectors were very much involved "hands on" in the aviation industry. I can tell you that he has had a "love affair" with Taylorcrafts since he saw his first one (according to him) and it wouldn't be suprising to me to see him stick some money into stock to try to keep things going. I'd love to know more about what's going on there too, Bill....but in the same breath, I also know it's not necessarily any of my business. I'm right with you as far as not wanting to hear "more coming soon, etc...." that's getting waaaaay past old for me.
          JH
          Last edited by N96337; 10-18-2007, 14:02.
          I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead

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          • #6
            Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

            While I still think we ought to know what's going on, I apologize if anything I wrote seemed inconsiderate... I had no idea that Ernie had a serious incident. Apologies where appropriate...
            Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

            Bill Berle
            TF#693

            http://www.ezflaphandle.com
            http://www.grantstar.net
            N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
            N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
            N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
            N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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            • #7
              Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

              Hi Bill,

              I don't have any inside info on who owns what but, corporate records are public documents. Texas has a couple of places to look:

              The Texas Secretary of State website has a corporation documents search function. Here's the link... http://www.sos.state.tx.us/corp/sosda/index.shtml
              A search (use temporary login form) will cost you $1 charged to your credit card. There are only two principals listed in the corporate filings for Taylorcraft Aviation, LLC; Darlene and Harry Ingram.

              The second website for corporate records is the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts website. Here's the link: http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/Index.html
              This is a free search. You'll find that Taylorcraft Aviation, LLC is, "Not in good standing" because, "...it has not satisfied all state tax requirements".

              Dan

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              • #8
                Re: D&E Aircraft and Taylorcraft

                Originally posted by N96337 View Post
                I've known Ernie Heald for over 15 years, and know a whole bunch of good people that have known him for alot more than that.... he's always been more than honest and straight forward with me.
                That's a good recommendation, and somewhat puts me at ease... thanks John. I sent Ernie an e-mail via his website, asking what the story is. I realize that not everything in the world is everyone's business... however when it affects the airplane I fly I will stick my nose in further than it was invited in many cases.

                It had just seemed to me that if there is a new owner they should have quickly seen the need for new management and a new figurehead.
                Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

                Bill Berle
                TF#693

                http://www.ezflaphandle.com
                http://www.grantstar.net
                N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
                N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
                N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
                N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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