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  • Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Well, here is something to ponder. We’ve owned several T.C.s over the years including the Taylorcraft. We have never had any intention of ever putting any of these airplanes back in production and there are several reasons for this, we don’t have the facility for it, we don’t have a Production Certificate for it, getting a Production Certificate to build completed aircraft would be a huge headache and expensive. It would result in more Feds climbing around here and we learned from history that many of these companies had their day in the sun and are gone for a reason. There was no LSA for most of our history to consider in our decisions.

    We still own the T.C.s for the Ercoupe and Stinson 108 series. We cannot go back into stock and get all of the parts it would take to build an airplane. We tell people we have about 90% of the structural parts for these airplanes. So, we don’t have headliners and door latches and a lot of other parts. I could spend all day explaining the reason for that, so I’m not going to go there. The fact is, we don’t have everything. What we do have are the parts that your average Ercoupe and Stinson owner will call and request on your average day i.e. cowling, struts, ribs, control cables. The average Stinson owner is not going to call up asking for 18 gauge wire to re-wire the original instrument panel lights on his airplane or gasket for a King Seeley fuel gauge sender.

    There about 3,000 to 4,000 line items in the Ercoupe, Forney, Alon, M-10 inventory. Most of these parts are left over from when these aircraft were in production. However, in any given year there are zero sales on about 86% of this inventory. Now, these are very rough numbers but my illustration is still valid. Of that 14% to 15% of inventory lines that had sales, it is only about half that amount, (7% to 8%), that actually generates the lion share of revenue that we receive each year off of that project. The reality is, most of these other parts would not be used unless you were going to build the airplane. What is nice, if somebody wants some obscure little do-dad gusset that we sell once in a blue moon, we have it. My point is, only a couple hundred items do the heavy lifting for the project.

    Now, on the T-Craft project these 200 or so “heavy lifters”, they have been sold and are long gone. They are gone by virtue of demand. Effectively, to do justice to the project and the greatest amount of good for the most owners, one would need to identify what these “heavy lifters” are and make them available. This is a much more “bite size” way of looking at things and certainly the way demand would naturally steer you. Some of the other odd ball do-dad gussets may be in the existing inventory, but if not – welcome to our world. Do you have the prints, do you have the tooling, can you make a production run worth you time, will you ever sell the balance of the run before the sun burns out, can you make it at a price the market will bear etc…?

    This my friends is how you need to view the project. I afraid for those who think you will be on the fast track for a $40,000 LSA aircraft, time to up the medication.

    Mike Sellers
    Univair Aircraft
    Last edited by UNIVAIR; 04-11-2008, 11:35.

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    • Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

      Well said, Mike!

      Thats why I say, Foundation - forget making new airplanes. Lets focus on obtaining the TC data so we owners have the information we need to maintain our airplanes (owner produced parts). And as we see the justification for it, lets share the data in support of those who are on track to make and approve good replacement parts under PMA.

      Jigs and tooling are another story. Wouldn't it be nice if these were purchased and then made available by the foundation to its members for use in restoration and repair work? Again.. this could be done as owner produced parts.

      But none of this is possible or feasible at the RIDICULOUS asking price currently on the table.
      Terry Bowden, formerly TF # 351
      CERTIFIED AERONAUTICAL PRODUCTS, LLC
      Consultant D.E.R. Powerplant inst'l & Engines
      Vintage D.E.R. Structures, Electrical, & Mechanical Systems
      BC12D, s/n 7898, N95598
      weblog: Barnstmr's Random Aeronautics
      [email protected]

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      • Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

        FIRST we must see that the TC's AND the data, drawings, E.O's , all paperwork needed are transfered to an entity that can sell them without any falsehoods.
        This is being worked out now with the FAA and the former TC holder. IT will become a real legal issue. I am still monitoring the situation, at Sun-N-Fun we had all players there for questions, nothing seemed to happen.
        Remember , Forrest (thats me) is not the Foundation, we have a Board of Director's , they are still saying hands off. I will try to come up with a plan to "acquire" the various TC's ; some are out there in limbo, the Small Aircraft Directorate is starting to come around. The Taylorcraft Type Clubs will meet with them on an individual basis. OUR TC's are #696 & #1A9 held in Texas;

        There is also A Group II approval for the Model A plus the TC #643,
        the other B models TC #699, TC #700 and the Model D TC #746 ; then we have the four place ships 15A & 20 TC #3A3 ; Plus the Airphibian ( Fulton flying automobile). I think I have enough data stored here in Alliance to prove that I can "support the Type Certificate". Still looking for Meg's article in GAN , I ahve the hard copy in the office. It is not magic, I just read a lot.
        Taylorcraft Foundation, Inc
        Forrest A Barber 330-495-5447
        TF#1
        www.BarberAircraft.com
        [email protected]

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        • Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

          Originally posted by btbell View Post
          Hello everyone,

          Has anyone received a new set of factory struts yet? How bout a report on what you think?

          Thanks,
          Brian
          Can anyone give me prices on new strutts for a 1980 F21 Thanks John

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