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  • VictorBravo
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by jstall View Post
    All I would like is a straight answer to what we have been being told,
    I seriously doubt if that is factual
    I truly don't want to insult anyone (well, almost anyone), it's not my intention at all. But, when you drive up to an intersection and stop at a red light, and it stays red instead of turning green, and this situation hasn't changed for twenty minutes, eventually the motorists have every right to assume the light is broken. You look both ways, and move on.

    I think it is safe to say that the light is broken down in Brownsville, folks.

    Again, no insult intended at all, but if you are waiting for a straight answer on this, then you're unfortunately missing the point:

    There is not going to be a straight answer from Harry Ingram because he is not a straight shooter.

    There is not going to be a straight answer from the FAA (on the manufacture / sales of struts) because they have no jurisdiction over whether or not he actually manufactures and sells them.

    There will likely not be a straight answer officially from the Owner's Club, Foundation, etc. because they cannot officially come out for or against anyone. I sometimes disagree with this personally but then again I'm not in the line of fire of a lawsuit or being seen as biased by the FAA, and they are.

    There is not going to be a straight answer (anytime soon) on the AD's, SB's and flight safety issues from Harry OR the FAA... because the FAA finally knows they got at least partially conned, BUT the FAA and the T-craft owners have seen that there ARE some unsafe rusted struts out there that need to be replaced, and they always did know that the Wiley seaplane crash was caused by something other than a strut.

    Off topic warning

    Bottom line? At this point, (no disrespect to the FAA) despite the AD's and SB's, there are still personal decisions that have to be made: In my opinion as just a reasonably experienced owner/operator ,

    Do not immediately assume you need or want new wing struts. Don't panic, just calm the #*$% down for a minute. It is well worth the peace of mind for you to find out if your current struts are or are not safe. Forget about doing ten years worth of theoretical mathematics and just figuring that it is cheaper throwing away the struts that have been faithful to your airplane for 60 *(#$% years !!! This situation is changing often enough that nobody really knows where this will wind up. REMEMBER that some airplanes are flying with unsafe struts, but none of them have failed inflight... so what is needed is immediate inspection and verification before you fly happily off into the sunset or throw anything away.

    If you have good condition, undamaged, sealed aftermarket wing struts from any reputable manufacturer, chances are that you can fly those struts safely while the FAA paperwork, PMA approvals, which airplane models are on who's PMA list, how long between the X-ray or Ultrasound or Gypsy fortune teller testing is done, etc. is sorted out.

    If you have 60 year old original wing struts, no matter what they look like on the outside, for goodness sake spend $200 for your own safety and have them X-rayed on the airplane by a competent X-ray shop. Feel free to use the "on the airplane" AMOC that I got approved (which was posted on this forum), or any other AMOC that has been approved to do this... hand the AMOC to your IA with the films and X-ray report. If the struts are good, tell the IA to pour the !($%^@ oil into the !($*#^ struts and have a nice day for at least two years until all this BS gets sorted out. Chances are that this will actually be extended to four years. After four years, have the !($%&* brains to X-ray it again because you will have damn near a 70 year old airplane at that time.

    STOP what you're doing and perform a very very thorough inspection on your lower fuselage fitting right now. Before the next time you fly it, get down there on a creeper with a strong light and an ice pick and poke at it like hell from all sides. Look for rust stains. Look for fabric tucked into the crevices (and pull it out). Look for mud. Poke at it some more. Have your IA there to poke at it with you. Poke at the INSIDE of this fitting behind the seat too. For ($#%&'s bloody sake you should have been poking around your airplane a lot every year before this happened anyway. The days of a fat/dumb/happy airplane owner that has no idea or concern what's going on inside his airplane are over, and never should have been allowed in the first place! When you are done with your initial ice-pick inspection, you can fly your airplane until the rest of this BS is sorted out if you want. (Make sure the ice pick is stored safely in Harry Ingram's back, because he has provided a similar service to us).

    BUT also be prepared to have you and your IA remove the lower attach bolt and look even harder at the lower fitting, and wrap your head around the idea that you will probably be cutting a little fabric and installing a removable or transparent inspection cover there. Anybody who tells you this means removing the wings, or taking the struts completely off... tell them to sit down and be quiet. It is NOT necessary. Yes a hangar is really nice to do this, and by all means you should be able to con your way into a hangar for an hour. Start thinking about it now, the AD or SB on the lower fitting will and should include looking at the inside of the little knuckles. However, if there is really really no way to get your airplane into a a hangar then you can still do this inspection. Several of us have or can write up a safe, sane, easily accomplished method of doing this inspection without removing the wings and minimizing the risk of damaging the airplane. Start being nice to people who have minivans and full size pickup trucks, because you will need a vehicle with a roof that is about 3 to 6 inches below the lower surface of your wings when the plane is leveled.

    And most importantly, go out of your way to find one of the old-tyme IA mechanics who understands and is experienced with tube and rag airplanes. This may or may not be some old haggard greybeard... it might be a 30 or 40 year old guy who grew up around old airplanes.

    End of off-topic portion
    Last edited by VictorBravo; 01-14-2008, 09:46.

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  • jstall
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Humm?? the new guy is the old inspector that inspected T/C factory while it was located in LaGrange?, so he is familiar with the past, I would hope that
    this will breath some creditablity into the process? All I would like is a straight answer to what we have been being told, and that is that they are
    actually trying to build struts, and will eventually get some out?? I seriously doubt if that is factual

    JS

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  • Forrest Barber
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    new guy was old guy up in LaGrange. I too agree that something is seriously wrong.

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  • jstall
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by Forrest Barber View Post
    Just checking in after the all day rain, got a new jump ship ( Cessna 182 ) in yesterday, been busy.

    The Foundation nor the e-mail to myself that is registered on the factory web site never got that e-mail.....
    I did have a good conversation with the FAA ( Andy McAnaul,) and we compared notes on the response to the NPRM that ended on the 9th. My final comments go to him tomorrow. Andy has downloaded our owner comments on results of testing, we need to always document your replies with Model , ser# , and N numbers . The F-19's and newer are clean as hounds teeth.

    on Thurs. I did talk with the new to the factory MIDO Safety guy. I will post a synopsis of those conversations tomorrow from the airport where I left my notes. Watching "Close Encounters of the Third Kind "at the moment . & do not want to get wet at 10PM EST.
    I was assured that the 4130 steel did come into Brownsville from Plymouth , I was hoping it was not from China . All users of 4130 steel and the FAA are aware of the problems with the China Steel, IT IS NOT up to quality.
    What would really be interesting is if the "new guy" could or has inspected the factory and if in fact Harry is still there and trying to build something? I seriously doubt if the past inspector was doing accurate inspections and reporting thereof. The last report I got was that they had 10 employees building struts, that was 6 weeks ago, and as of today, to my knowledge not one set has ever shipped? Makes no sense. I don't think that report was accurate.

    JS

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  • T.Taylor
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    Originally posted by drude View Post
    Yeah, I like that too.

    Is that the town where everyone MUST own a gun?

    Dave
    The ownership issue is for homeowners only, if you rent, you are not required to own a weapon, it is interesting the counties around here have higher crime rates, but I am sure it has nothing to do with the ownership issue, on no:tdown:

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  • Forrest Barber
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Just checking in after the all day rain, got a new jump ship ( Cessna 182 ) in yesterday, been busy.

    The Foundation nor the e-mail to myself that is registered on the factory web site never got that e-mail.....
    I did have a good conversation with the FAA ( Andy McAnaul,) and we compared notes on the response to the NPRM that ended on the 9th. My final comments go to him tomorrow. Andy has downloaded our owner comments on results of testing, we need to always document your replies with Model , ser# , and N numbers . The F-19's and newer are clean as hounds teeth.

    on Thurs. I did talk with the new to the factory MIDO Safety guy. I will post a synopsis of those conversations tomorrow from the airport where I left my notes. Watching "Close Encounters of the Third Kind "at the moment . & do not want to get wet at 10PM EST.
    I was assured that the 4130 steel did come into Brownsville from Plymouth , I was hoping it was not from China . All users of 4130 steel and the FAA are aware of the problems with the China Steel, IT IS NOT up to quality.

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  • flyguy
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    Just y'all wait. One a these days Harry is going to do something. You'll see. Then youle all be sorry. LOLOLOLOLOL
    DC
    Last edited by flyguy; 01-11-2008, 13:48.

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  • Guest
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by jstall View Post
    P.S.

    I really like the name 'GUN CITY, GA" Thats got "SUBSTANCE"

    JS
    Yeah, I like that too.

    Is that the town where everyone MUST own a gun?

    Dave

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  • jstall
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    P.S.

    I really like the name 'GUN CITY, GA" Thats got "SUBSTANCE"

    JS

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  • jstall
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    At this point that would be way better than what has transpired for me, which is "NOTHING"

    JS

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  • LostnSpace
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    I have often wondered, why doesn't Harry just work a deal with Univar or Wag-Aero to make the struts and drop ship them to the owners. Seems like a good idea, OH, but wait, Univar and Wag-Aero knows better than to do business with Harry, I too am waiting for parts, Harry said I was very patient, WELL, what else could I be??? LNS

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  • VictorBravo
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    To quote Lt. Columbo the great TV detective: "Oh, just one more thing..."

    There are probably one or two lawyers in our group if I recall. I have a question for them; at what point in this continuum of fraudulent behavior has or would Mr. Ingram's behavior have gone from civil to criminal?

    If one looks at just a few of the apparent ingredients in this recipe:

    Fraudulent practices in general
    Interstate Commerce fraud
    Mail/Wire fraud (internet)
    Intentional misrepresentation of facts involving the above
    Involving the US Government in potentially fraudulent activity
    Coercion, Conversion, Subversion and Perversion (sorry Reverend Jackson)
    Theft and resale of stolen property (customer airplane parts)
    Damaging or Disabling a federally registered civil aircraft

    At some point does this not trip some arbitrary switch where there are handcuffs involved as opposed to a civil suit?

    I think some members of this group would sincerely want to know where the threshold of criminal charges is in this soap opera.

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  • VictorBravo
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by jstall View Post
    I just don't understand? why would he keep sending these emails then not
    follow through?

    JS
    Well, it's like this: Imagine you went to a restaurant, got a steak dinner, then walked out without paying and got away with it. You sent the restaurant an e-mail, saying you're sorry about the delay in payment, but they will be receiving the money next week, and because of that e-mail the restaurant let you come in for ANOTHER steak dinner.

    A week later you send them ANOTHER e-mail saying you just got your new checks from the bank, and they will be getting the payment for two dinners... next week.

    So you go in and eat ANOTHER steak without paying, and send out ANOTHER e-mail with ANOTHER excuse.

    Pretty soon you realize that some restaurants will apparently let you pay for your food with e-mails.

    Now, would YOU stop sending out e-mails to the restaurant?
    Last edited by VictorBravo; 01-11-2008, 11:30.

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  • Guest
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by jstall View Post
    Copies of the last two of 5 total emails from the "Factory" last was on 1/1/08

    as of today noon 1/11/08 no joy, as before, nothing, amazing!!!

    12/16/07 Message
    Last weeks extreme weather across America has delayed our second strut shipment, we should receive material in the next forty-eight hours and can complete and ship four sets per day. I will send tracking information asap, we will call and confirm order with ship date and ship to: information on Wednesday. Thank you, Harry

    1/1/08 Message
    Happy New Year,
    After latest drawing revision's are approved by the FAA, we will finely start shipping new lift struts this week, I want to think all our customers for their support over the the last four months. Last month we started negotiations with an investment group that wants to build up our part's inventory and re-start aircraft production in 2009, I will release details asap. We will be using BAX Global for most of the strut shipments, I will e-mail you with their contact information,tracking numbers and ship dates. We are adding a photo gallery to our web-site to help new owners get familiar with Taylorcraft's, please e-mail photo's of your aircraft, rebuild project, old service bulletins, installation instructions, inspection techniques, anything that might be helpful, model D and L-2's welcome to: www.taylorcraft.com Thanks, Harry


    I just don't understand? why would he keep sending these emails then not
    follow through?

    JS
    Just a thought, perhaps he is delivering but only to people who are not on this forum?

    I guess it could be that way, he appears to have no friends here.

    There are people outside this forum that have t-crafts, maybe they are happy?

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  • CraigH
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    Re: Anyone received their new factory struts yet?

    Originally posted by jstall View Post
    I just don't understand? why would he keep sending these emails then not
    follow through?

    JS
    That's just the way he does business. He strung me along like this for months. Looks like 3 years have gone buy but nothing has changed.

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