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    Well folks, I have good news and bad news. I met with the FSDO inspector yesterday, he has gone above the normal (recent) FAA procedures and made arrangements to see the airplane personally, as part of my application for a 337 field approval for my no-weld skylight installation.

    The inspector has shown a personal interest in helping me get this approved, and has done far more on my behalf than he is required to do. He has flown Taylorcrafts and agrees that the skylight is a worthwhile upgrade. I must say he's made this far less painful than he could have, and my hat's off to him for doing that.

    The good news is that he agrees with most of what I had done, how did it, and why I made deviations from how the factory F-21B skylight was done. He was pleased with my workmanship, drawings, paperwork, etc.. He requested only two minor changes to what I had done, both of which were reasonable. And so I have some amount of confidence that when I complete the minor changes and he sees they were done I will have a signed Field Approval.

    The bad news is that he has made it clear that he wants to sign this off for my airplane only. He specifically said he didn't want my modification to be the basis for dozens of other Field Approvals where his name would be on the line. Although I disagree with his reasoning for it, that's the way he wants it done.

    What I am NOT certain of, at this point, is whether one inspector signing a Field Approval for my airplane only can or will prevent anyone from doing their own separate field Approval at another FSDO signed off by another inspector. My FSDO inspector told me that the whole "previously approved data" thing is being closed down somehow.

    The over-riding point is that this inspector is adamant about my not using this 337 to open the flood gates, but I'm not sure which flood gates he is referring to. If it's just that he doesn't want to have every T-craft in the area knocking on HIS door, that's one thing. If he is saying he doesn't want me to give anyone a copy of my 337 for doing their own Field Approval, at any other FSDO, then that's another thing. I don't know whether one FSDO can do that.

    If I am really prevented from even sharing copies of my 337 with other Taylorcraft owners, then I MAY elect to upgrade my 337 to a multiple aircraft full-blown STC. If that is even remotely affordable (DER's , structural engineering, measurement of the Lunar gravitational pull on Lexan panels, etc) then I will do it, but I would have to charge money for it to reimburse myself for the costs and aggravation. That was not my original intent, as you will see from my preivous posts on this subject, but it may be unavoidable.

    The skylight installation drawings I posted for review in the Gallery have been significantly changed. Please do not use those for anything other than entertainment. They are not correct and are no longer an accurate representation of what I submitted to the FAA.

    There is an existing STC, which I SUSPECT is nearly identical to the factory welded skylight installation. If you are willing to weld some steel tabs on your upper cabin framework, that STC is already in existence and offers you a smoother path towards having a skylight.

    Despite the extra heat in summer, I strongly advocate a skylight in the Taylorcraft B series. It makes a huge difference in safety and enjoyment in my opinion.

    Bill
    Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

    Bill Berle
    TF#693

    http://www.ezflaphandle.com
    http://www.grantstar.net
    N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
    N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
    N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
    N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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    Re: The Skylight Chronicles... THIS month's episode

    Who ownes the factory type STC?
    Ray

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    • #3
      Re: The Skylight Chronicles... THIS month's episode

      Now there's a can of worms I've kinda pushed to the side, but I'll have to address it some decade. The person that started the restoration on 99301 covered the fuselage leaving the upper area open for a skylight. I have no idea what he had in mind for completing it. It could very well be the same as the existing STC...or not. There are some tabs welded in on top, but how the skylight attaches to it, I haven't the faintest notion. What do the skylights look like when installed per the STC?

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      • #4
        Re: The Skylight Chronicles... THIS month's episode

        Bill, I believe that the "one time only" field approval is FAA policy these days, unless it's signed off for serial production by the original installer only. I don't like it either, but that's our modern world.

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          Re: The Skylight Chronicles... THIS month's episode

          The only skylight STC I am aware of is owned by a Mr. Clayton in Fairbanks, AK. Unfortunately I don't know anything about his installation.

          What I do have (via the Foundation some years back) is a copy of the factory F-21B skylight installation drawings. They show the skylight and the aluminum fairing supports the skylight is mounted on, and the skylight is mounted on those pieces with sheet metal screws and Tinnerman "clip nuts".

          It is left to the imagination (on the drawings I have) how the aluminum fairings are mounted on the fuselage, but I am fairly sure the factory welded steel tabs on the structure during manufacture, to mount the aluminum wing root fairing (that replaces the thin plywood ones on the B models). They just put Tinnerman clip nuts on those tabs, and used sheet metal screws. When a customer ordered a skylight, they put the skylight on top of those fairings instead of fabric, and held it on with the Tinnerman clip nuts and screws shown in the drawings.

          So I have ASSUMED all along tht the Clayton STC is to weld more tabs on to the top of a BC-12D, and attach the metal F-21B style skylight fairing supports onto those tabs. I have no idea whether Clayton's STC requires you to remove the stock BC-12D wood upper windshield former and replace it with the equivalent F-21B aluminum one or not.

          So, if you have the factory style tabs welded in already, then it MIGHT match the existing STC and you are already halfway done with the conversion.

          The Foundation has the drawings, and if they are still available to be sold then those drawings have full size patterns for the aluminum parts. They're fairly simple parts you can make in the shop without too much effort, no riveting or welding, etc.

          If the existing Clayton STC is in fact NOT a replica of the factory installation, then I apologize for making that assumption, and it appears that everyone is on their own.

          I've said it before, if you have the capability to weld the little tabs on, and the plane is taken apart to that degree, then the factory methos (via Clayton STC or your own 337 to duplicate the factory method) is a pretty good choice. If you don't want to weld, or you want to use wood because that is more period-appropriate, then my method is a good choice once approved.
          Taylorcraft : Making Better Aviators for 75 Years... and Counting

          Bill Berle
          TF#693

          http://www.ezflaphandle.com
          http://www.grantstar.net
          N26451 (1940 BL(C)-65) 1988-90
          N47DN (Auster Autocrat) 1992-93
          N96121 (1946 BC-12D-85) 1998-99
          N29544 (1940 BL(C)-85) 2005-08

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          • #6
            Re: The Skylight Chronicles... THIS month's episode

            Hmmm. I might be looking at a 337. Thanks for the info.

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