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  • Which way to clear a flooded engine?

    At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest of conflicting opinions: Pull the prop through forward or backward to clear a flooded engine?

    My Continental engine operators handbook says: "...would indicate overpriming or flooding. This is remedied by turning ignition switch "OFF", setting throttle full open and pulling the propeller through three or four revolutions." [No mention in which direction.]

    My Continental maintenance and overhaul manual says: "If the engine is over-primed, turn the ignition switch off, open the throttle, and turn the engine backward to unload the cylinders."

    My Taylorcraft owners manual says: "If the engine loads up, put the switch in the OFF position, open the throttle wide and turn the prop backwards a few times to clear the engine."

    But my Taylorcraft service manual says: "If the engine does not start immediately it may have too much fuel in the induction system. The switch is turned off, the throttle opened all the way and the prop pulled through several times in the normal direction of rotation. It is a common misconception that to rotate the prop backwards clears the engine. There is no basis for this thinking."

    And every old-timer on the ramp at a fly-in breakfast where I flood my engine says "backwards."

    So which is it, forward or backward?

    On the old hand-propping thread here, someone mentioned that pulling the prop backward doesn't suck more fuel in, and would make only a weak spark if the mags were hot for some reason.

    I can understand the safety rationale of turning the prop backwards, in case the ignition switch was left on or the mags weren't grounded.

    But can somebody explain the mechanical justification for one direction or the other? Are you trying to push excess fuel back out the intake valves? Or push fuel vapor out the exhaust valves? What exactly do you accomplish within the cylinders by pulling the prop through (either direction) with the throttle open?
    Joel Severinghaus
    Des Moines, Iowa
    TF# 657

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    Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

    Switch OFF...full throttle....pull BACKWARDS....clears flooded engine. That's what I do.

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    • #3
      Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

      What Dano T says. It has always worked for me too.

      As far as the safety issue. Always pull it through like it's gonna start.
      Jerry
      The man who flies... must believe in the unseen - Bach

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      • #4
        Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

        Either direction will work. The engine is just a big air pump and will pump in either direction. Backwards is safer 'cuz it only likes to run in one direction.
        John
        New Yoke hub covers
        www.skyportservices.net

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        • #5
          Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

          As said, the engine is an air-pump, with throttle wide open, maximum airflow, and minimum suction at idle jet for minimum additional fuel (the air velocity is reduced due to the large diameter available to the flow, and the venturi suction is reduced; also with the throttle plate closed or almost closed all the air goes past the idle jet inlet). And going backwards the magneto doesn't have the delayed-firing spark build-up of the impulse couplings. But, always treat as hot and might start; have someone competent at the controls in case it does start.

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          • #6
            Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

            I pull mine through backwards....it works everytime.
            Tom Gilbertson
            Cranford, NJ
            '46 BC-12-D
            N95716

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            • #7
              Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

              So I learned something. But I have never had a flooded engine. My original 65 with 1600 hours starts on the first or second blade everytime.

              I only prime once or twice, even if that first one didn't seem to give any juice. And most of the time when I am starting it for the second time in a day, I try once with no prime first and it starts usually.

              Am I just lucky? Why do some have a flooded engine? I thought it came from overpriming.

              Jack D
              '46 BC12D
              N44057

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              • #8
                Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

                Jack,

                Being a new Taylorcraft owner, I'm still learning her idiosyncrasies. I've just this summer figured out that I also don't need to prime before the second engine start of the day. Even after sitting for a few hours, even one shot of prime is apparently too much, so I've learned to try without priming first.

                Do the rest of you find that a warm Continental 65 starts better with a wider-open throttle than usual, or do you still start a warm engine at idle?

                Not as tricky as hot-starting something fuel-injected, but I'd appreciate others' tips.
                Joel Severinghaus
                Des Moines, Iowa
                TF# 657

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                • #9
                  Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

                  unless its cold below 40 or so i never prime i just pump throttle1/4 a couple three times works on my 19 have starter an if i flood (Happens only in summer) i just pull mixture out till i get a start an go back to rich
                  shawn coleman
                  208ap
                  f-19

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

                    My airplane's primer was disconnected when my father bought it almost 40 years ago. We never had one at all. When the restoration was finished in 1999 it had a primer. I never really used it but several years later it developed a leak so rather than fix it I just told my mechanic to remove it which he did. I've never missed it.
                    Tom Gilbertson
                    Cranford, NJ
                    '46 BC-12-D
                    N95716

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                    • #11
                      Re: Which way to clear a flooded engine?

                      1 shoot when cold.
                      Hot nothing.
                      My trottle is set so what all the way out is idle and start possition.= 600 rpm warm less cold
                      Flooded closed trotlle( I have never tryed it wide open,just dint think about it) 5-6 blades backward with mags off. works,maybe better with the trottle open!
                      I allways pull trough 8 to 10 blades to pump up oil before priming when cold.
                      Len
                      Last edited by Len Petterson; 08-11-2006, 07:09.
                      I loved airplane seens I was a kid.
                      The T- craft # 1 aircraft for me.
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