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From: E. Bjerre [[email protected]]
Hello!
I have a problem and hope You can help me out.
In late WW II som US troops saw a Cub (No: 1319, Danish reg.: OY-DUP) in Germany. I so happens, that this Cup was seized by the German Forces in Denmark in December 1943 (along with 50 other planes!).
I have been looking for informations of this Cub for some time, but I'm lost.
If You open the attaced file, se some photo's.
What puzzles me is the US text on the plane and what was its fate?
From a friend in Germany I've got this:
Hello Egon,
I knew that Luftwaffe had a few Piper Cubs captured in different countries during the war. But I never have seen a photograph nor a Stammkennzeichen of them (like GP+QG). You should know that each and every military aircraft had such a "paper registration" allocated for its whole life, but only few used them, because their units used serials instead denoting the unit and the integration of the individual aircraft in it. A night fighter Ju 88G-6 c/n 620538 I just had on my desk had Stammkennzeichen RF+IR used only for a few tests of a new equipment and got serial C9+AA when transferred to night fighter wing NJG 5, saying that it became the first aircraft of the first group being flown by the wing commander himself, denoted by the first A being in yellow. I do not know its history, but if it would have gone back to the works or to a test facility it would have used RF+IR again.
This means for the Danish Cub: it was not (or not yet or no longer) used by a Luftwaffe unit having an own serial, but apparently used its Stammkennzeichen. Perhaps it was used for liaison work by Heer (army unit) or the military administration in Denmark. My late father when being Luftwaffe inspector in the PZL maintenance works at Warsaw-Okecie had left several photographs of captured French (Caudron Goeland) or Polish (RWD-12?) aircraft in German military look with Stammkennzeichen. With some proud he always stood on the photo in his white (!) overall, sometimes in front of the most important letter of the reg or - even more silly - in front of the aircraft only showing big radial engines. He had no papers left such as flying log books of test flights, since the Soviets seized all that when capturing him near Stalingrad later.
I hope that helps a little...
But I will ask Colin Smith who is knowing virtually all about Piper aircraft.
Greetings
Peter
and from Colin M. Smith, GB (via my friend, Peter):
Peter-Michael
Of all of the Piper planes that were reported as being seized by the German forces in 1943, the one refered to (ie 1319) is the only one ever to have been known with Luftwaffe markings.
Those planes captured are listed as:
E-2: OY-DUL (339)
J-2: OY-DAO (1155), OY-DYN (1156)
OY-DUO (1160), OY-DUM (1163)
OY-DEP (1316), OY-DIP (1317)
OY-DUP (1319)
J-3: OY-DIT (1995), OY-DAT (1998)
J-3C-50: OY-DUR (2533), OY-DYR (2534)
OY-DES (2535)
J-4A: OY-DAV (4-565)
None of these are known to have survived to fly post-war.
Colin
HELP if You can?
Greetings
GON
(Exuce my english)
My adress:
Egon Bjerre
Aspevej 10
7700 Thisted
Denmark
E-mail: [email protected]
Hello!
I have a problem and hope You can help me out.
In late WW II som US troops saw a Cub (No: 1319, Danish reg.: OY-DUP) in Germany. I so happens, that this Cup was seized by the German Forces in Denmark in December 1943 (along with 50 other planes!).
I have been looking for informations of this Cub for some time, but I'm lost.
If You open the attaced file, se some photo's.
What puzzles me is the US text on the plane and what was its fate?
From a friend in Germany I've got this:
Hello Egon,
I knew that Luftwaffe had a few Piper Cubs captured in different countries during the war. But I never have seen a photograph nor a Stammkennzeichen of them (like GP+QG). You should know that each and every military aircraft had such a "paper registration" allocated for its whole life, but only few used them, because their units used serials instead denoting the unit and the integration of the individual aircraft in it. A night fighter Ju 88G-6 c/n 620538 I just had on my desk had Stammkennzeichen RF+IR used only for a few tests of a new equipment and got serial C9+AA when transferred to night fighter wing NJG 5, saying that it became the first aircraft of the first group being flown by the wing commander himself, denoted by the first A being in yellow. I do not know its history, but if it would have gone back to the works or to a test facility it would have used RF+IR again.
This means for the Danish Cub: it was not (or not yet or no longer) used by a Luftwaffe unit having an own serial, but apparently used its Stammkennzeichen. Perhaps it was used for liaison work by Heer (army unit) or the military administration in Denmark. My late father when being Luftwaffe inspector in the PZL maintenance works at Warsaw-Okecie had left several photographs of captured French (Caudron Goeland) or Polish (RWD-12?) aircraft in German military look with Stammkennzeichen. With some proud he always stood on the photo in his white (!) overall, sometimes in front of the most important letter of the reg or - even more silly - in front of the aircraft only showing big radial engines. He had no papers left such as flying log books of test flights, since the Soviets seized all that when capturing him near Stalingrad later.
I hope that helps a little...
But I will ask Colin Smith who is knowing virtually all about Piper aircraft.
Greetings
Peter
and from Colin M. Smith, GB (via my friend, Peter):
Peter-Michael
Of all of the Piper planes that were reported as being seized by the German forces in 1943, the one refered to (ie 1319) is the only one ever to have been known with Luftwaffe markings.
Those planes captured are listed as:
E-2: OY-DUL (339)
J-2: OY-DAO (1155), OY-DYN (1156)
OY-DUO (1160), OY-DUM (1163)
OY-DEP (1316), OY-DIP (1317)
OY-DUP (1319)
J-3: OY-DIT (1995), OY-DAT (1998)
J-3C-50: OY-DUR (2533), OY-DYR (2534)
OY-DES (2535)
J-4A: OY-DAV (4-565)
None of these are known to have survived to fly post-war.
Colin
HELP if You can?
Greetings
GON
(Exuce my english)
My adress:
Egon Bjerre
Aspevej 10
7700 Thisted
Denmark
E-mail: [email protected]
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