BC 12 D with short mount C-85

[zero.one.victor]

Re: BC 12 D with short mount C-85

Don has asked that his registration and membership with the Forum be deleted which I have just completed. Perhaps some of you will think about what caused him to leave our community.
Bob.

Unless there's some prior history I'm not aware of, looks like a thin skin was the cause. I didn't read any rancor into Bill's post, and felt that his apologizing anyway was very gracious. But Don didn't stick around long enough to hear it. Actually, looks like Jim's post actually precipitated Don's "OK I'm done. Goodbye" post, and it was even more innocent than Bill's. If someone can't handle a little back-and-forth without copping an attitude, maybe they should not participate on these forums-- after all, isn't that the whole point?
My two cents.

Eric

[selje]

Re: BC 12 D with short mount C-85

This forum is one of the most well-behaved forum that I have have experience with. A spirited debate serves to clarify the question and increase the likelyhood of arriving at the correct information. I lean toward free speech much more than on the side of not offending someone because of their own internal insecurities. Almost any statement could offend someone. Let's move on and not let one individual (who is leaving) change what has been good group discussions for the majority.

[VictorBravo]

Re: BC 12 D with short mount C-85

Now I discoved a weird situation with relation to spars. I have a set of wings that have NO plates at the root end of the wing.

Of course the spars are cracked... all of em .... all cracks run fom the first compression tube to the root end.

Wow... glad you found the cracks before they caused a serious problem!

[Jim Herpst]

Re: BC 12 D with short mount C-85

Bill,
Yes these wings were off the plane(I bought it as a parts plane for extra parts for my 1940 Clip project) I cannot believe someone skipped that step!! The plane was a BL. Nothing in the logs shows spar replacement... (no wonder I would not make an entry if I had built then up like that!!!) Damn things are ALL cracked from the first compression fitting to the but end (front and rear spars both wings)

[Forrest Barber]

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The plates were not used on early ships for the rear spar. The drawings say so too! I do have the 2568, 2569, & 2570 drawings. Those are the F-19 spars and there is good reason for the variance to the earlier drawings. ( I really do not care to elaborate at this time)
The number system usually tells all. Somewhere in the archives is the numbering system that shows that any drawings without the prefixs A- AA- B- D- BC- etc. were drawn after the bankrupcy in 1947 and Charles & Dorthy Feris continued THAT system. YES the 2569 started out in 1947 BUT was not necessary on existing spars. I will document real soon. . WE now have the 16X double density DVD burner up and running last night. New Cable & Road runner coming Thurs..
Lets do this thing with with scanning etc... I have a lot here now . A reminder that I WOULD like to disseminate this information to Foundation members; PLEASE USE YOUR tf# AT ALL TIMES. Many forumn members and very good contributers do not belong, it is only $10.00 per year and is the reason we have what we have! I will be contacting some of them off list as a reminder.......

[VictorBravo]

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I'll pay the $10 for Foundation membership cheerfully...

and another ten bucks worth of good single malt scotch when the full story of those thin plywood plates is finally told...

AND a steak dinner

[Forrest Barber]

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When I first met you and you sent us some marvelous stories for the initial attempts at setting up this Taylorcraft web site I do believe I offered my usual complimentary membership for your efforts. I cannot find where you sent the application and got a number, sorry , I may have messed up.
Send me the app or blast off the info in a direct e-mail to [email protected] You Sir will be my first comp'd membership for 2006 THEN you will have your magic number that gets you lots of phone time, free coffee when you visit, friendly advise and snide remarks about your projects..... THEN way in the past you mentioned Grant writing, hmmmmm maybe it is time? I have really been tied up with the Dynalifter project and recently found out that we have a studio here in Alliance tha has a green room and every method of transfer of information known to man. I meet them tomorrow. I just have not had good experience with letting things go out of my hands to others to have copies made.... keep up the good work for the Cause...

[VictorBravo]

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Forrest, you have not forgotten anything... I have not as of yet joined the Foundation, only the Club. I will send in a check presently for Foundation membership. I had enough "comps" in my previous life... supporting the Taylorcraft airplane and the other people "afflicted" with it is something I do from my heart just like everyone else here. I'll pay the few bucks gladly.

My offer of pro bono grantwriting stands... ID your legitimate potential funding sources, get their "Grant Guidelines", "Funding Priorities" or whatever instructions they send out, and take the lock off my cage.

The compilation of all the technical and restoration tips and tricks and official factory stuff is an excellent candidate for a project to be funded. All you need is to find who the sources are that fund causes related to the preservation of historical things, historical societies, or even local Ohio foundations that want to preserve historical things in that area. Any large Alliance bank or corporation could have a corporate foundation. Any "family foundations" from prominent famlies in the area, etc. etc. That's the grunt work that you have to do. Anything local to the Alliance area that funds nearly anything having to do with "education" is a good prospect.

The skill of a grantwriter is taking whatever someone wants to give money for, and whatever you have to offer, and then stretching, pushing, pulling and occasionally sledge-hammering them together. I am very fortunate to have written over $1.5M in successful proposals using that skill.

As soon as you have identified some foundation or corporation that has money to grant, I can come up with some fairly clever grant proposal ideas to make a Taylorcraft Foundation project interesting to them. But that's for another thread in this forum, or private e-mails.

Bill

[Sloanlow]

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Tribe

I'm working on a BC12d and I want to make it the best plane ever. I need the info that is being provided by this debate. Spirited or not.

When I set down with my IA or others that control what I do with my plane, I need to be able to speak from an informed position, in order to get my way with them.

I for one, appreciate the debate, that is why i joined and tuned in.

This is nothing compared to hashing it out with meticulous IA's and others. That's why I keep lots of beer over at the shop. To pour on the flames help keep them turned down.

For one reason or another, right or wrong, we have now lost one of the few people around that can even carry on the debate. For that I'm sorry, Lets get this guy back. Its like watching a documentary and the TV quit in the middle.

What do we need to do? .....Maybe some one can go and scratch his ears or something. Tell him to get his ass back to the fight to keep these things flying.

Jim

[Forrest Barber]

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Bless you Bill and Uncle Milty for having you!!
As to the other , yes I have slacked off a bit the past two months ( or more) being on the list. Sometimes I have been rather blunt but that is how we do it in the Cleveland FSDO & MIDO.
I HAVE always kept up with e-mails sent direct to me on the ins and outs of 337's , the FAA, acceptable data vs. approved data. It really varies around the country with each inspector having his own requirements. I will start the threads when ready to do so on Foundation projects, grants, Sun-n-Fun 2006, Osh 2006, updates of the web site ( Bob is ready) . Right now I am using the dial up at the house waiting for the cable guy to show up and switch us over... for those that have missed our latest project here in Alliance check out www.dynalifter.com YES we have taxied her about. That is me in the cockpit under the front on the web site cover aerial photo that fateful day. The DVD copy folks are doing a clip right now that I have it on VHS at the moment. Always learning new stuff. For the Dynalifter project if you respond to Bob Rist or Brian Martin say you saw it here on the Taylorcraft site.