STC for Clipped Wing

[fredaustin]

I have a question. I want a clipped wing BC12D-0200-LSA airplane. I want to build it up myself. I can buy the Swick drawings from the fellow that has taken over from Mike Swick. However he dosen't own the STC. I will call Mike in the morning and see about buying a one time authorization for the use of the STC from him.

It is my understanding from what I have been reading that the airplane can go in standard catagorey with clipped wings and an 0-200. Can someone shed a little more light on this subject for me.

Thanks,

Fred

[080892]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

You would be better off building it up from the kit. You will be flying sooner and have a better aircraft when you are finished (Experimental Amateur Built category).

If the aircraft is modified according to the STC it would be a "standard Catagory" aircraft. As long as it still meets all the restrictions for LSA category (weight, stall speed, ect.) it could then be operated as an LSA aircraft.

[Acroeric]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Mike is no longer selling the STC. . . . . .at least he told me that several months ago. There were some issues with teh gross weight. . .

[fredaustin]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Thanks guys,

I appericate the advise. I spoke with the gentleman in MI that is working on the kits. It sounded like he had a little ways to go before he will be ready deliver any kits. I ran an add in barnstormers for a basket case and got a couple of reasonable prospects.

Here's my next questions, if I start out with a BC12D and do some of the Swick mods without the STC use approval can I just fly the airplane in expermintal catagory? Also can an expermential airplane be operated in LSA catagory as long as it meets the weight and performance critieria for LSA?

Thank for your input.

Fred

[Forrest Barber]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

OKAY I see that these questions did hit the right thread.
IMHO the Swick STC's can be applied as Approved data and away you go! This all needs to be worked out with the STC holder OR develop a new one.
If you get the drawings and do the mods then the ship will "probably" have to be flown under Experimental - Exhibition Or Experimental Restricted. These are questions for your local IA and the FAA office in your area. My plate is full today shipping parts. I will jump in with the new guys in Michigan next week and get more answers .

[Forrest Barber]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Right thread , not all information. Here is link to new guy up in Michigan.
check it out & I will be back later to give more comments:

http://www.primashock.com/tclip/site.html

[Forrest Barber]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Very good conversation with George this morning, learned a lot about the new operation, please anybody interested read all on their web site and then ask away on the questions. I will post pictures of clips in a bit.

[Acroeric]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Guys- a note on sheet 1 of the Swick drawings indicates that it qualifies under the 51% rule so you can go experimental amateur built. Personally- I have built way more than 51% of my clipwing- including building a new fuselage and all wood wings.

[Acroeric]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

A couple of other things. . . . . The reason Mike Swick is no longer selling the STC is that the plane CAN NOT be built per the STC and remain within the weight and CG limits he originally had approved. I spoke with Mike a while back- he is a great guy and I'd recommend anyone wanting to build a clipwing to give him a call.

Here is what I mean by the above statement- if you put a Lycoming 360 in a clipwing and add absolutely no creature comforts you will have a 1000 pound airplane. There have been a few built a little lighter but they usually did not have any electrical system. Gross weight remains 1200 for the clipwing STC so you end up with a useful load of 200 pounds. Legal VFR fuel reserves dictate you need a minimum of about 10 gallons (60 pounds) leaving you 140 pounds for pilot and passenger and a CG that is pretty far forward.

Now- it can definately be done with adequate useful load with the O-200 but the STC covers C85 through O-360 engines. This is the way Mike explained it to me several months ago.

[fredaustin]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

Man,

Great forum, great information. I'm picking up a more everyday. I checked out the Swick-T web site. It really looks like they will have a great kit ready to go soon. But it looks like a fellow will have a bit north of 50K in the airplane by the time he gets and engine and prop on it. That's not bad but it's a little more than I can afford. So I ran an add on barnstormers for a BC12D basket case and got a reply from a fellow about 4 hours away by pickup. I've ordered a set of plans from Swick "T" $275.00 not bad all. And will go down and take a look at the basket case. I've decided to go expermential it's easier. I spoke with a FED that's been around a while (old air tanker mechanic from the round engines days) he explained the expermential deal for me.

Thanks again for all the information keep it coming.

Fred

[Forrest Barber]

Re: STC for Clipped Wing

We made ours a BC12D-85 with 1280 Gross, THEN applied the Swick STC's ; YES she is single place on paperwork.
Can the fellow that had the F-19 clip check the gross wt of that one? I believe that starting up an STC again with 1320 Gross would be the ticket, Our ship ( Leisa Marie) was 1009 Empty with 9 gal smoke tank, 3200 tail wheel , 8# tail weight & glider tow hook to off set the 0-360 up front with a Wood prop.