Clip wing ailerons

[zero.one.victor]

Re: Clip wing ailerons

The Cole's, etc may all be gone but Bud Granley's still wowing them at airshows. Mainly flies his Harvard (T6) and Yak 52 and 55, but he did a routine at the Arlington Fly-in a couple years ago in a DeHavilland Chipmunk that was real impressive. With something low-powered like that,or a light clipped-T, the emphasis is on smoothness and skill, not high power & noise and hard-G,gyroscopic maneuvers. Makes for a much-more enjoyable show, for me anyway. I'm sure it's alot more pleasant from the pilot's seat, too.

Eric

[Dennis D'Angelo]

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Left Coast Eric:

I agree, it's not the motor that makes the plane fly, it's the pilot's skill. I used to fly aerobatics in a Pilatus B4 sailplane and you can accomplish a lot of maneuvers with no power--just think what I can do with 65+ HP!

I agree with the writings in this forum, the Swick plans are just a starting point--for reference. The Swick plans tend to add unnecessary weight especially if you are not going to place 150-180 HP in the nose. I would like to see the Cole plans if anyone has them--got to study a little more before I start work.

I also need help in locating a set of three-view drawings of a stock T-craft. I would like to reproduce the horizontal stabilizer and elevator assemblies using the Pitts-style strap hinges. While I am here in Germany, I'll use the three-view drawings to sketch out the tail feather layout so as not to waste any time on this project when I return stateside.

Finally, let's keep this forum "hot." There are many great ideas growing and having this exchange will help us all build superb examples of a great little aerobatic airplane. After we build them, we can swap experiences on how to fly them. More to follow...

dd

[Swick-T N7010S]

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Hi guys,
I owne a 180 HP Swick conversion that I'm currently rebuilding and thinking about downsizing the engine to an O-200. I used to work for Warren Pietsch in Minot a few years ago and he is the one that got me interested in the Clip wing T-craft. I have flown his airplane once to an airshow for him. His airplane has spades instead of the servo tabs that mine has and his ailerons are much lighter. I'm going to eliminate the servo tabs and install spades.

The reason I'm rebuilding my airplane stated out as a leaking wing tank and bad paint that was coming of the fabric. I would not recoment doing the swick fuel tank set up in the wing with the two tanks inteconnected. If I keep the 180 HP I would like to have more fuel foe x-county flying. Does anyone have any input on building a plywood box in the first two bays and eliminating the drag wires? I have seen this set up in a Beech Stagerwing.

Thanks,
Mike

[gmackay]

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While we have everyone interested, here's a couple more questions........

1. Anyone concerned about the strength of the pre-war fuselages? I know that steel is lighter, but also not as strong. Have there been any problems with this? (reason I'm asking is that my fuselage needs major work, so I'm thinking about looking for an early model fuse. Weren't some of the cole's pre-war?)

2. What about the taller spar section (at strut attach) on the swick plans? Is this one of the ideas being dropped or is it critical? How does that compare to the Cole design?

[Acroeric]

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Greg- Duane Cole's plane started life as a 1938 model- I think his thousands of performances in that very early fuse speaks volumes for the design.

As ro the taller spar section- I just use a 6" spar and a pretty long doubler. In addition I cap the spars between the ribs and glue a wood leading edge to it to make a D section. Even without the wood leading edge I would have no worries about a stock dimensioned spar- especially if I were going with an 0-200.

[gmackay]

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Thanks Eric. That's what I was looking for. I wasn't sure if Coles was pre-war or not, so that answers it. I may change my add to pre 0r post-war BC12 fuselage.

[Forrest Barber]

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I am back after two months in hiding. WE still have Leisa-Marie ( The Super-T) up here in Akron Oh . Swick, Standard Category, 180HP Lyc. , modified ailerons, etc....
IF you keep her light, the stock ailerons are fine, take out the first bay 31" x2 is 5ft, then one foot outboard on each side is 7 ft and you have a 29 ft. clip ship. Yes , raise the stab tube 1 in.... give her a hair of dihedral ( or she looks droopy) .... I think the 150 HP Lyc would make the perfect ship..... The 100 HP works good too! I have flown 5 different clips.